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 Child profile for each side of a double sided disc? (Locked) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
I am sure you know my friend that while I understand what you are saying, as when last this was discussed i still have the same problem, creating non-existent discs. I am trying to find a logical way to accept it, but I keep tripping up when I come to non-existent discs.<shrugs>
Skip We do this for films all the time. Why don't you have a problem with "creating non-existent discs" when it has two films on it???? And please don't change the subject and try arguing that films can have different data. Your argument is that you don't believe in creating non-existent discs! And you're not creating a disc...you're creating a profile. If properly labeled, Side A and Side B in the respective profiles, I do not see the issue. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe I explained this already.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
That's the way we do it for the film when we have a different movies on each side (exemple : Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde 012569585928). Why would it be different for a TV serie if different episodes are present on each side of the disc? I really don't see a different situation here... My point exactly. Thanks for letting me know that I am not, completely, off the mark here. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's not that you are off the mark, Martian. You simply are not recognizing that we process many issues of TV in slightly different ways than we do film. AND further that the reasons for the Profiles relative to film do NOT apply to Television. As I already pointed out. Tv and film and not exactly the same in many respects, and the Rules provide for different handling of same.
For example we do NOT add Cast and Crew to film Boxsets but we can for TV, that is inconsistent. Personally I still don't comprehend why I would want all that Cast and Crew under the parent, but it is allowed and it is inconsistent with Movies.
Skip <shrugs> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | True... we could very well be here all day if we tried to list all the inconsistencies. I definitely don't see that it is done differently for movies as a reason to believe it is (or even should be) that way for TV sets as well. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
For example we do NOT add Cast and Crew to film Boxsets but we can for TV, that is inconsistent. Personally I still don't comprehend why I would want all that Cast and Crew under the parent, but it is allowed and it is inconsistent with Movies.
Skip <shrugs> Personally, I can't comprehend why I would want all that Cast and Crew under a single profile, when I can split it over two...  Beyond that, and yet again, the rules for creating TV child profiles tell us to create them "in line with the standard Contribution Rules." Standard rules tell us to create a profile for each side of the disc. Try as you might, I can't see how you are getting around that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Woola:
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For example we do NOT add Cast and Crew to film Boxsets but we can for TV, that is inconsistent. Personally I still don't comprehend why I would want all that Cast and Crew under the parent, but it is allowed and it is inconsistent with Movies.
Skip <shrugs>
Personally, I can't comprehend why I would want all that Cast and Crew under a single profile, when I can split it over two...
Beyond that, and yet again, the rules for creating TV child profiles tell us to create them "in line with the standard Contribution Rules." Standard rules tell us to create a profile for each side of the disc. Try as you might, I can't see how you are getting around that. There is something to be said for that, martian. EXCEPT one film is Widescreen and one is FF, one has different Audio characteristics from it's Partner, the Features are different and so forth. None of this applies to TV and in movies it is data which cannot be captured without separate Profiles. Skip<shrugs again> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think I'm with the Martian on this. The child profiles should be as specific as possible, and that's a child profile for each side of a double-sided disc. Why should it make a difference TV vs movies? | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
I am sure you know my friend that while I understand what you are saying, as when last this was discussed i still have the same problem, creating non-existent discs. I am trying to find a logical way to accept it, but I keep tripping up when I come to non-existent discs.<shrugs>
Skip Setting aside for the moment the fine points in the rules for one profile or two for a double-sided disc, the new beta gives us the ability to record how many discs we want a profile to count as in our disc totals. Therefore, you can set a profile to count as zero discs. In the case of a double-sided disc, you can make two profiles and set one to count as one disc and the other as zero. In this case, a profile can be for a non-existent disc, while still necessary to profile the package as a whole. Therefore, the non-existent disc issue will soon be moot. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
The child profiles should be as specific as possible, and that's a child profile for each side of a double-sided disc. Exactly. In other case, as two movies on one side, we curse the fate that we only have one Disc-ID so I see no need to 'waste' the second ID on TV-Seasons. Not to mention that a double sided disc technically are two discs glued together back to back.  cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
There is something to be said for that, martian. EXCEPT one film is Widescreen and one is FF, one has different Audio characteristics from it's Partner, the Features are different and so forth. None of this applies to TV and in movies it is data which cannot be captured without separate Profiles.
Skip<shrugs again> The rules do not make that distinction. You might, but the rules do not and that is what I am talking about here. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
I think I'm with the Martian on this. The child profiles should be as specific as possible, and that's a child profile for each side of a double-sided disc. Why should it make a difference TV vs movies? See my explanation Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
Nor does it make your interpretation correct. Personally because of my involvement, I ll take my understanding over yours.I think I am in a better position to more correctly understand them.
The fact that you was in the rules comity who had work on them is not revelent at all (in fact it's a showoff argument). Most of the time what was writen and how it is interpreted is 2 differents thing. If you can't see that a dvd with a movie on each side and a dvd with different episode on each side is exactly the same thing, I've no idea what more I can say. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gosh AESP, I can read the Rules in addition to the design. And as I have explained in great detail there is a totally different meaning to them in addition to the totally different handling described within the Rules for TV vs Film Boxsets. you never make any attempt to deal with what i have presented, unlike what i di with you, you simply come back so Oh no you are wrong.
In short you present no argument of ANY kind. that''s NOT a discussion. I have supplied a very detailed explanation and argument why you are incorrect in your assessment and that of others as well. Answer it...if you can. You clearly cabnnot because neither you nor anyone else has tried to. That tells me a whole lot, and it should you as well...lie...you are wrong. You are trying to plug TV into the same hol;e as movies and they are two different issues covered by different Rules for different reasons as i have outlined.
I wait with baited breath. And IF you can come up with an argument, I promise you that I will not call you wrong until I have FIRST and Foremost dealt with your argument.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 599 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
Personally because of my involvement, I ll take my understanding over yours.I think I am in a better position to more correctly understand them.  Jawohl, Mein Fuhrer! |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
That tells me a whole lot, and it should you as well...lie...you are wrong. I should have known better and not get involved... No more time to loose on this daily "I want to argue topic" |
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