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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsamuelrichardscott
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I meant that the release date would hold the year the dvd was released. I'm well aware of what production year holds and what release date holds.

The OP stated that some people were putting the year the dvd came out in the production year, this is duplicating data that would already be present in the release date.

I assumed that Kinoniki was refering to not wanting to loose the year of release of the dvd. I see now rereading the thread he was probably responding to snarbo's post saying he would prefer to use the copyrighted production year to eliminate arguing over which is corrected.

However I think calling the field Year of Release doesn't help anything because what release? theatrical (what it is now) dvd release (duplicates data) plus it. Calling it Theatrical release is probably better because that's essentially what it is, and I would hope most people would then logically use first air date for TV shows since there is no theatrical release for them.

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Well on that I can agree with to some degree, Agrare. But it is not dissimilar from the some of the other labels. Total DVDs is and always has been a misnomer, the program does not count DVDs, it counts Profiles. The change in 3.6 may be of some help in that area, but not for all I suspect.

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Agreed. Some DVDP fields really need renaming (I'd say DVD Release Date, Theatrical Release Year instead of Production Year and, as Skip rightfully points out, Total Profiles rather than Total DVDs. I've brought this up in the past, but so far without result. Only Ken can change this.
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Only Ken can change this.


Once again, you can easily do this for your local layout, with a translation file. If that doesn't change anything for the online, it allows you to have on your screen field titles coherent with data that are entered.
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Recently I changed a production year of a region 1 profile (An Evening of Edgar Allan Poe) by the year of the copyright notice at the end of the end credits. This is supported by the year on the back cover also. Normally I wouldn't do that, but it's a feature from end 1969/70s which probably was made for television. There were no reliable/verifiable sources on the net for the Theatrical/television release date (imdb.com only, other websites all refer to IMDb). In the db the Production Year was entered as 1972 (IMDb data), but the cover and credits seem far more reliable to me. There was just one No-vote and the screeners approved my contribution.
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Only Ken can change this.


Once again, you can easily do this for your local layout, with a translation file. If that doesn't change anything for the online, it allows you to have on your screen field titles coherent with data that are entered.


Well thanks Yves, but personally I've lived with the current names for long enough to not get confused. My primary concern was for newbies who indeed might get confused.
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After so many years of this subject coming up and the countless requests for additional fields and renaming of the one that is already in place, you would think Ken would change it.

We still don't have a functioning set of charts & graphs. If you have more than 53 studios, production years, release dates, or anything else, the chart just cuts the list off with no method of viewing the remainder. And there is no interaction with the graphs. Several fields are so small that the pertinent data does not fit. There is a lengthy laundry list of items like this that have been on the perennial request list for well over 7 years but Ken seems to feel they are too trivial to concern himself with them.

My point is, after this many years and as many updates of the program, I seriously doubt this will ever get fixed. In short, we have to "make-do", still.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good program and it's a great value but it could be SO much better!
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Agreed, Dan.

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Well said, Dan!
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It's usually not a problem for people who have been using the program for years, but I still occasionally get no votes for changing the production/copyright year to the year of the (theatrical) release and then I have to explain why things are called something else than what they really are in PMs... And I still have no idea why. 
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...We still don't have a functioning set of charts & graphs. If you have more than 53 studios, production years, release dates, or anything else, the chart just cuts the list off with no method of viewing the remainder. And there is no interaction with the graphs. Several fields are so small that the pertinent data does not fit. ...


I recall that the graph of Production Years used to be much more friendly to the 120+ years of film in my collection. There was no vertical extra chart on the right, and each year had a numerical count at the top, rather than the repeat of the date. It was easier to see which years I only had one dvd, and where each year's total count was. Some people became confused at my having two profiles for a year before 1880, but the 1879 dvd was just one in a box set, so both had that "earliest production year."

Anyway, I only use the chart on production years, and I still feel the old style was more useful.
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...We still don't have a functioning set of charts & graphs. If you have more than 53 studios, production years, release dates, or anything else, the chart just cuts the list off with no method of viewing the remainder. And there is no interaction with the graphs. Several fields are so small that the pertinent data does not fit. ...


I recall that the graph of Production Years used to be much more friendly to the 120+ years of film in my collection. There was no vertical extra chart on the right, and each year had a numerical count at the top, rather than the repeat of the date. It was easier to see which years I only had one dvd, and where each year's total count was. Some people became confused at my having two profiles for a year before 1880, but the 1879 dvd was just one in a box set, so both had that "earliest production year."

Anyway, I only use the chart on production years, and I still feel the old style was more useful.

Hey Cliff,

In my earlier post, I did not intend to rant on the charts and graphs quite the way I did. Rather, it was an attempt to illustrate that there are many other fields and features like, Production Year, that are being neglected while we get the annual "bug fix" update. I see no excuse for the data fields being overlooked in this manner. For those of you who are concerned with data base bloat on these fields, text takes up very little space. In this instance, functionality should be the priority.

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As long as we are discussing the charts and graphs, yes, I remember there was no list on the side in the earliest versions of the program. This rendered a much larger chart than we have today. Aside from this addition, the only "upgrades" have been the graph variation selections on the far right (which further reduces the size of the graph) and the ability to "zoom" in by dragging your mouse over the charts. It may be cumbersome but it is functional.

A simple scroll bar for the side list would be a huge improvement and would render it a useful item. Additionally, zoom and scroll-bars on the chart/graph would be a huge leap forward. The thing I would most like to see is, interactive charts/graphs that would pull up the titles represented by the bar/pie-slice in the chart. It would be so nice to be able to click on one of the bars in the “First Genre” chart and be taken to or shown the titles represented in the selected bar. A pop-up like the one for selecting an actor would be most welcome but a tie into the regular search filters that would take you back into the program to view those titles would work as well.

It just seems so strange that such a powerful program for cataloging DVD's has such an 80’s charts and graphs section. “3-D” texturing is pretty but it is not very functional.
Dan
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kinda of an interesting scenario of this post  for a few titles (such)  as Star Wars and Apocalypse Now Redux.
Both films had significant NEW additions to its original airings . as Star Wars 1977 is now basically a collectors OoP item., and all airings and DVD releases are of the 1997 Special edition. The original Box set of Star Wars Definitive series (laser disc) is worth many bucks on eBay as that 121 min version is quite different than the outrageous CGI editon that Lucas and his gang put today for us 13 years ago ..

Apocalypse Now (1979) ran 153 minutes and the 2001 version (redux) had a whole new subplot inserted that pushed  the new running time now to well over 200 minutes .. Would the production dates for both these films be the original years or the re release dates ??
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That is covered in the Rules Terry...

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Enter the year of the original theatrical release. For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released.
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But the interesting point of my comment is The year the re-release was made is in the film credits, as well as the films had a major theatrical release not just a quick one day in the theatres..
If I remember the Star War films ran for 30 days each during  january feb and march of 1997..
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