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| Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
So minority groups make the decisions? And above all things against the Rules? That cannot be right. The screeners make the decisions on behalf of the owner of the database. They base it on the rules, the contribution notes, the votes and whatever other things they choose to. If it's been declined it's in line with all of the above since it's their decision that is the key not any other factor that may or may not have influenced it. It's definitely against the will of the majority to change profiles for disks you don't own and Ken said in general you shouldn't do it. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe bbbbb is sticking to the rules, so his change is legit.
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree it really is a nitpick and most people will probably say it's not worth losing sleep over, which I can understand.
On the other hand, I can understand bbbbb's frustration in this matter. Time and again we are reminded that we need to follow the rules, even if it goes against our better judgment and many of us do so. Time and again we read posts from users underlining the importance of having a 100% correct database which is in line with the rules.
And then comes along this contribution where the screeners don't accept a profile change made by the rules and bbbbbb is told to "just let it slide".
I'm personally not thrilled by some of the rules, but I follow them nonetheless. I can still understand that those are in place for the common good and it's hard to cater to smaller groups. However, what I really can't stand is inconsistent behavior. Rules can't be inforced with an iron fist in one occasions and then in the next occasion blatantly be put aside. In that regard I support bbbbbb's endeavor to bring this to our (and Invelos') attention. | | | Blu-ray collection
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
I believe bbbbb is sticking to the rules, so his change is legit. It is indeed - feel free to resubmit, bbbbb. Keep in mind that it's extremely important to get the original title right, as it serves as a basis for the CLT. Having entries for both 'Snatch' and 'Snatch.' affects the CLT numbers for all cast and crew listed in these profiles. Like Taro, I fail to understand how the daily "just follow the rules!" mantra rhymes with being told "why bother?" when you actually do... Why should we bother to correct anything when there's always going to be someone saying: "nah, it's not much of a difference"???  Something is either correct or incorrect - and if it's the latter, it needs fixing. He bothered because it needed to be fixed per the rules. That should be more than enough, and additionally, there's the bad impact on the CLT numbers caused by having two different (original) titles for the same film. With such a small correction like this, maybe over a hundred cast and crew get more accurate CLT results. Frankly, these kind of corrections are tremendously important for the database: small effort, huge gain. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | He is welcome to resubmit but i hope his justification is actually better than this: Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
It would have been my thousandth contribution. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
It's definitely against the will of the majority to change profiles for disks you don't own Perhaps hypothetic. In practice 15 users definitely wanted the Original Title (against 4 who didn't want the correct title), that's 79%, almost four times the users. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would have voted yes. That doesn't mean I agree with submitting minor changes for populated disks you don't own.
You wanted the majority to rule. I just pointed out it's oymoronic to submit changes like these against the will of the majority but then say a minoity should not have been able to decide to decline it. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | FYI: I re-submitted this change and it was just approved and released.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | >> Seriously, why is this title so important to you? > It would have been my thousandth contribution. Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
FYI: I re-submitted this change and it was just approved and released. Your nine hundred and ninety-ninth post. True Magic. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Apparently this change has been accepted, but I'll post a section from the contribution rules which I think is important.
Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database. For example, contributions that only re-order the information within a certain section should not be submitted. These unnecessary changes are highlighted in the rules. Please do not make a separate contribution for them; however, they may be acceptable if you are making wider corrections to a profile.
These are what INVELOS have said - they don't want to be inundated with trivial changes.
Adding a fullstop is IMHO trivial. | | | | Paul | | | | Last edited: by pauls42 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | But as I said in other posts where that rule is brought up. Who is to say what is significant? In one person's eye it is significant. In another person's it is not.
In this case I see this as filling a field (correctly per rules) that was blank. To me that is significant.
That rule goes on to say about reordering info that is already there within a field. That tells us a little. But in this case it is not reordering within a field. It is adding info to an empty field. And that rule goes on to say "These unnecessary changes are highlighted in the rules." So that tells me that what else Invelos sees as insignificant will be laid out to us in the rules. Which if I remember right it does do in one or 2 other places in the rules (genres pops into mind as does additional disc ids.).
So I really don't think that rule comes into effect in this case. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
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Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database. For example, contributions that only re-order the information within a certain section should not be submitted. These unnecessary changes are highlighted in the rules. Please do not make a separate contribution for them; however, they may be acceptable if you are making wider corrections to a profile. I don't know how, but I seem to have missed that portion of the rule. That tells me that it isn't a subjective decision as I originally thought. According to that portion, the unnecessary changes are spelled out in the rules...genre and disc ID come to mind. Based on that, any change not spelled out as unnecessary, is allowed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The way Martian and I think alike is scary sometimes!  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The way Martian and I think alike is scary sometimes! I just read your post and, wow, it really is. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Because of the impact they can have on CLT name linking title corrections are not trivial. It just may not be obvious sometimes.
Though heaven knows i do see some trivial ones (IMHO). | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database. For example, contributions that only re-order the information within a certain section should not be submitted. These unnecessary changes are highlighted in the rules. Please do not make a separate contribution for them; however, they may be acceptable if you are making wider corrections to a profile.
I don't know how, but I seem to have missed that portion of the rule. That tells me that it isn't a subjective decision as I originally thought. According to that portion, the unnecessary changes are spelled out in the rules...genre and disc ID come to mind. Based on that, any change not spelled out as unnecessary, is allowed. I've never noticed that sentence either, to me this was always something that was subjective. I may contact Ken to see if it was the intention there there would be a list when he said that or if he was just giving examples | | | | Paul |
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