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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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I still would not include them as not listed in the credit chart. (alos just my personnel opinion)
Would you, by that same reasoning, also leave out "production designed by"? That's not listed in the chart either, yet it's obviously what we're after. The same applies to sound editorial <--> sound editor(s). By the same token: would you leave out "written for the screen by"? And have you ever encountered a credit saying "Original Material by"? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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I still would not include them as not listed in the credit chart. (alos just my personnel opinion)
Would you, by that same reasoning, also leave out "production designed by"? That's not listed in the chart either, yet it's obviously what we're after. The same applies to sound editorial <--> sound editor(s). Another reason to explicitly allow functional equivalents in the rules.  |
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| Registered: June 5, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
In the Film Business "Editorial" is the term given to the process of editing. Most editing (Film, Sound or Both) facilities are listed under "Editorial Services" in the yellow pages out here in L.A. Yes, in that context "Editorial" is an adjective, and makes sense  But the credit should then be "Sound Editorial Services [by]", or similar, so you aren't left with a 'hanging' adjective. Otherwise, it is read as a noun, and that makes it a little odd  | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here | | | | Last edited: by Lewpy |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, perhaps my explanation was not the best and if I write "I would not include them" should not mean I wouldn't accept them.
So looked a bit in the web and it seems that Sound Editorial is making Sound Editing, so I could of course agree to include them.
Problem was that in direct translation it's an adjective and means "redaktionell". And the staff that is doing the "redaktionelle" work at a newspaper for example so not have to be the same people that are writing the articles.
Btw, my translator didn't give me a translation for Editorial as noun.
To your examples:
- production design by -> person is a "Production Designer"
- written for screen by -> person is a "Screenwritter"
-> sound edit by -> person is a "Sound Editor" -> that a sound Editorial is the same I've just to learn.
Can you see a difference?
OMB is imho different, as there is no "credited as" in the credit chart, so we've to make our decisions with the notes/explanation from the credit chart. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
OMB is imho different, as there is no "credited as" in the credit chart, so we've to make our decisions with the notes/explanation from the credit chart. Formally OMB is not different. The rules talk about the role and credited as columns and the role column is not empty. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, BigDaddy, did the credits include any credit for "Sound Editor"?
If so, I'd definitely leave them out as that is a clear indication that a "Sound Editorial" is not the same as a "Sound Editor".
If there is no "Sound Editor" credit, it would be an assumption that this is the same job without doing further research. It may very well be, but I don't like assumptions.
Personally, using the word "Editorial" seems to be a very strange credit for any "sound" credit since the common use of this term is a written or spoken "opinion" piece. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | While that is true when it is used as a noun, it is not true when used as a adjective. When used as an adjective, it means: of or relating to an editor or editing <an editorial office>.
That being the case, and the fact that there are no other sound credits, I would include them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
While that is true when it is used as a noun, it is not true when used as a adjective. When used as an adjective, it means: of or relating to an editor or editing <an editorial office>.
That being the case, and the fact that there are no other sound credits, I would include them. In this context, "Sound Editorial", "Editorial" is a noun and "Sound" is an adjective. More context is required to determine if it should be added or not. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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While that is true when it is used as a noun, it is not true when used as a adjective. When used as an adjective, it means: of or relating to an editor or editing <an editorial office>.
That being the case, and the fact that there are no other sound credits, I would include them.
In this context, "Sound Editorial", "Editorial" is a noun and "Sound" is an adjective.
More context is required to determine if it should be added or not. Thank you, teacher. That is why some of us have said NO unless there are no other Sound editor entries for this title. If it is the only Sound Editor entry then I would accept it. I don't believe I have seen any comment from the OP as to whether this is the only entry or not. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I don't believe I have seen any comment from the OP as to whether this is the only entry or not. Huh? He said so right there from the start, in the original post: Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
there are no other sound credits to be seen... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're right, then i would be Ok with it. I would encourage him to include the specific information in his notes and let the chips fall.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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there are no other sound credits to be seen... Whoops, I missed that, too. Pretty strange credit, but I would not vote "no". | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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While that is true when it is used as a noun, it is not true when used as a adjective. When used as an adjective, it means: of or relating to an editor or editing <an editorial office>.
That being the case, and the fact that there are no other sound credits, I would include them.
In this context, "Sound Editorial", "Editorial" is a noun and "Sound" is an adjective.
More context is required to determine if it should be added or not. Context wasn't my only determining factor. The fact that there are no other sound credits factored into my thinking. Edit: I see you missed that part, so, nevermind. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, Sound Editorial can be a functional equivalent to or direct translation of Sound Editor if there are no other sound credits? | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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