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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Ken:

I can see a definite difference in the two images, it is about the differebnnce in the palette that is available, in other respects you are correct. Universal's lve action Peter Pan has one of broadest color palettes in DVD and it looks  a whole lot better at even 300DPI than it does at 72.

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In Ken's example, the bottom image will be much smaller than the top image once it is printed out.


Grendell is right on with all points, but quick clarification (although it may be obvious) - DPI does not change the size the image is printed on DVD Profiler reports.
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Ken:

I can see a definite difference in the two images, it is about the differebnnce in the palette that is available, in other respects you are correct. Universal's lve action Peter Pan has one of broadest color palettes in DVD and it looks  a whole lot better at even 300DPI than it does at 72.

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Not sure if you're kidding or not here.  In case you're not - the images are exactly pixel-perfect the same.  Bring them into your favorite image editor and check.  DPI does not change the palette.  If you're seeing a difference, it's likely glare or the viewing angle difference of your monitor due to the image positions on screen.

Note as Grendell said, optical DPI absolutely matters and will greatly change how an image is scanned.
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Whenever I scan a cover in my Epson all in one scanner (model cx5000) the image comes out to roughly 2200+ and I always resize to 1100 and keep/submit.. Same with my photobucket entries I use for the forum.. The size always seems to work fine for me at this DPI  .
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Ken:

I can see a definite difference in the two images, it is about the differebnnce in the palette that is available, in other respects you are correct. Universal's lve action Peter Pan has one of broadest color palettes in DVD and it looks  a whole lot better at even 300DPI than it does at 72.

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Not sure if you're kidding or not here.  In case you're not - the images are exactly pixel-perfect the same.  Bring them into your favorite image editor and check.  DPI does not change the palette.  If you're seeing a difference, it's likely glare or the viewing angle difference of your monitor due to the image positions on screen.

Note as Grendell said, optical DPI absolutely matters and will greatly change how an image is scanned.

No, Ken I am not kidding. There IS a definite differnce in color gradient and that is caused by the improved palette, ken. There may be some differences in sharpness as well, but that would take some extensive digging and simply judge what i see as you presented it.

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I didn't scan those images - I simply used Photoshop to change the DPI setting - the resulting pixels are identical. Any perceived difference is likely due to placement on screen.
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That's a possibility, Ken. And you are correct simply changing the DPI setting should not produce a difference. But there is a slight difference in the color gradient moving thorugh the greens, less apparent on yellow to orange.gradient.

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"DPI" is a print term, it is meaningless for on screen display.

No, it's not meaningless on a display screen.  A 23" 1920x1080 monitor has 96 dpi resolution, therefore an image scanned at 96dpi should be approximately life size on such a monitor if not scaled up or down.

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No, Ken I am not kidding. There IS a definite differnce in color gradient and that is caused by the improved palette

Color depth and image resolution bear no relationship to one another.

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there is a slight difference in the color gradient moving thorugh the greens

No, there's not.  I just overlaid the two images in Photopaint using a difference filter and the two are identical.

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I understand what you are saying, BUT i would argue it, since typically there gong to lower bit read at 72 than say, 300. I haven't done any SUPER LARGE like ummm 3600 DPI at 64-Bit, but I would think that anything above where I operate we woul;d start getting into the law of diminshing returns. it's less about resolution and more about color depth.

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Scanning an image at 3600 DPI is not the same as converting an existing image to a different DPI.

When you scan at 3600 DPI, you're getting 3,600 pixels per inch.  When you scan at 300 DPI, you're getting 300 pixels per inch.

However, if you take your 300 DPI scan and change it to 3,600 DPI, the image will be the exact same size in your graphics editor.  But if you try to print it, your printer (assuming it can) will print the image you scanned at 300 DPI using 3,600 pixels per inch which would result in an image that is only 8% the size of the original.

Another example: Scan an image in at 300 DPI and print it out unaltered.  Now change the DPI of the image to 150.  It will look exactly the same but if you print it out, it will print out twice as big as the original print you did.
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I sometimes do this as a part of my job and an image that is scanned at a higher dpi and a higher bit count will have a broader color palette. As Ken said, just taking an image and telling it in Photoshop or whatever program to be a larger dpi will not change the color palette or the actual resolution of the image, unless you use some kind of plug-in(s) or filter(s) to interpolate the colors. The only thing that may happen is pixel shift but new colors will not appear in the palette. The general rule is, a 72dpi image just doesn't have enough information to make it look any better, no matter what you try. You need an image scanned at 300dpi or better to have enough information to manipulate it. Ken and Dr. K are exactly right.
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You need an image scanned at 300dpi or better to have enough information to manipulate it.

True.  I scan my covers at 600 dpi and then typically resample them down to 700 x 494 pixels after cleaning them up.  This just happens to be the equivalent of approximately 100 dpi given the nominal dimensions of a keepcase cover.

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Oh man, what have I caused with using the wrong term?! 

DPI

A higher DPI in a scan results in a higher resolution.
1400x1000 instead of 700x500 for example.
For the use in DVDP I prefer a higher resolution scan, that gets automatically resized for the online database. (And on the new download I get the smaller pic for local also) I think the scans look more natural in this way.
But the quality depends of much more than just the resolution. Sometimes a very high resolution looks ugly, sometimes better.
And a resized pic (matching to the needed resolution), can also look different, depending on the program/type that is used. (I think what Invelos uses gives a good result, but there is also some Freeware on the net with which you can resize on your own)

And at last a cover scan is always a kind of personnel preferance.
For example in some cases I had this: An my high resolution scan the writting is getting finer. (I thought it was better matching to the original cover) But it got declined, with user-votes that say the readability is worse than on the existing.
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And at last a cover scan is always a kind of personnel preferance.

This very much seems to be the case, but it shouldn't be so.  Our cover scans should look like accurate representations of the covers, but many of the online covers have excessive contrast and sharpness boosting (and of course, other obvious imperfections.)  I find it a bit amusing that many people seem to be more concerned with whether or not they can clearly read the fine print on a back cover scan than they are with whether it actually looks like the real cover.

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