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Jeremiah - Season Two Discrepency |
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Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Martian it is not in any way an illegal entry and neither you nor I can prove that somehow someone did not manage to get a copy. It may have actually shipped and been recalled, and some store did not honor the recall, we don't know. K-Mart typically doe not honor recalls, if it gets into their store they will sell it. We simply can't know and the fact that we think it was never released does not make it illegal nor does it mean that no one has a copy. It should be proved that it was released, not proved that it wasn't. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Even so, Sam. The only thing that concerns is the entry legal in Profiler terms. Thisn happens frequently, but we have no provision for anything than pirates, made up UPCs, gammes, tapes, or in some otherv way ILLEGAL to Profiler. There is nothing in the Rules that requires that we check to make sure a release announcement was actually followed up on. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | True, but what is the point of having UPCs for releases that don't exist? Beyond that, the rules say, "The main database should contain information about legal, professionally produced discs." I guess it could be argued that, because this release was never professionally produced, it doesn't belong in the main database. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: True, but what is the point of having UPCs for releases that don't exist?
Beyond that, the rules say, "The main database should contain information about legal, professionally produced discs." I guess it could be argued that, because this release was never professionally produced, it doesn't belong in the main database. The reason that MGM went the MOD route was that they were not going to press copies. The demand is there, but not enough to justify a full blown release. So, they went the MOD route via Amazon. They are still professionally released, just via a one-at-a-time method. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) | | | Last edited: by MrVideo |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MrVideo: Quote: The reason that MGM went the MOD route was that they were not going to press copies. The demand is therem but not enough to justify a full blown release. So, they went the MOD route via Amazon. They are still professionally released, just via a one-at-a-time method. I was talking about the UPC, that is currently in the Main DB, for the non-existent Complete Season Two. The MOD profiles, absolutely should be in the DB. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting MrVideo:
Quote: The reason that MGM went the MOD route was that they were not going to press copies. The demand is therem but not enough to justify a full blown release. So, they went the MOD route via Amazon. They are still professionally released, just via a one-at-a-time method. I was talking about the UPC, that is currently in the Main DB, for the non-existent Complete Season Two. The MOD profiles, absolutely should be in the DB. That is an assumption, as I have described, pal. We can't KNOW that for a certainty. The best that I am willing to say is that I believe it was never releases but I do not KNOW that for a fact, and can't prove that there is not a captive copy out there somewhere. What I do KNOW factually is that while the existing Profile may not have been released, it does not represent an illegal copy to Profiler in any way. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: I was talking about the UPC, that is currently in the Main DB, for the non-existent Complete Season Two. The MOD profiles, absolutely should be in the DB. I understand that. I was going to say more in my post and didn't. What I was going to say is that it was very possible that when it was first announced, maybe the plan was to have a single case to house all of the DVDs, which could have been that initial UPC. But, I guessing that they went for the two DVD case release, resulting in two UPCs. I have no proof, one way or the other. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: What I do KNOW factually is that while the existing Profile may not have been released, it does not represent an illegal copy to Profiler in any way. If you mean illegal copy as in a bootleg, or pirate version, I'm certainly not saying that. I'm saying, and I think TheMadMartain is as well, that the current profile was based upon early information about the upcoming release and that the actual release is not based on that UPC. I'm saying that over time, that UPC will be proven to be invalid and will ultimately be removed. In the meantime, I'll be putting together an initial contribution containing initial profiles for each DVD case. It won't be tomorrow, as other things are scheduled first. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Typically, Mr. Video,, this game that Hollywood has started playing splitting Seasons into 2 Volumes, appears to allow them to make more money as opposed to the price they could command for a single season, Most shows that re released in Complete Seasons appear to command a price of $30-$50, while ths Split seasons seem to command almost the same price for each Volume, thus a Season actually being $60-$100 | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Typically, Mr. Video,, this game that Hollywood has started playing splitting Seasons into 2 Volumes, appears to allow them to make more money as opposed to the price they could command for a single season, I do not buy those split season releases. But this release, is not in that category. It is a full season two release. One price ($29.99) gets you the full season. It was a packaging issue. It is no different than any other multi-disc full season release. In this case, there isn't a slipcase to hold the two DVD cases. This release was done on the cheap. Since it takes eight single layer DVD-R discs to encompass the release, it had to be split into two DVD cases, as I don't know of a cheap off-the-shelf 8 disc DVD case. But 4 disc DVD cases are. If this was a split release, where I would have had to pay for each set of four discs separately, I wouldn't have started this thread. Instead it is a single release, containing two DVD cases with 4 DVDs each. Each case getting its own UPC number. I just thought of something and that is what to enter for the price. I think the list is $39.99, but that is for both DVD cases. Do I split the cost down the middle? | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Hmmm interesting question, it comes in TWO separate cases not bound together in any way? | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Hmmm interesting question, it comes in TWO separate cases not bound together in any way? Yep. The only difference in the artwork is that it notes "Discs 1 - 4" and "Discs 5 - 8". No cheap slip case. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I think I would probably split the price between the two. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: I think I would probably split the price between the two. Thanks, that is what I was thinking of doing. | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
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