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 Why do people submit changes that they can't explain? (Locked) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Yes kathy I know that you do this, if you find no error then you are making a totally unnecessary contribution, just as you assume that a propagated BY is correct or anything else that you propgate.  I am curious as to why you think it is totally unnecessary. If I am understanding this correctly, the formatting, in the program, has changed. That formatting has not, however, changed in the main db. The only way to get it changed, is to upload the overview. As long as they are submitting it with other changes, I don't see the issue.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If I am understanding this correctly, the formatting, in the program, has changed. That formatting has not, however, changed in the main db. The only way to get it changed, is to upload the overview. You are, indeed, understanding it correctly. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 287 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Yes kathy I know that you do this, if you find no error then you are making a totally unnecessary contribution Why is it unnessary? Based on what? If the overview hasn't been changed and you contribute the profile, and the site makes a (format?) change for whatever reason....who am I to contradict that? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then it SHOULD be explained in the notes and not just blindly done or accepted. I have seen BY propagation that should not be done, I have suffix propagation mishandled. The topic rememeber is "Why do people submit changes that they can't explain?" if there is an explanation then that 's fine, but just blind propagation with no other explanations is not fine. Now per haps these users ding this will begin to attach the explanation to the Contributions. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I hate to be pedantic, but you didn't say anything, to Kathy, about the changes being explained in the notes. You said it was a "a totally unnecessary contribution." I am trying to figure out why you believe it is a totally unnecessary contribution. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
if there is an explanation then that 's fine Well, now you've seen the explanation - so no reason to vote against these anymore. Problem solved.  |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also check the BY before submitting it. I do not contribute BY data "blindly".
I provide documentation linking the voter to where I have found that data. Which is adequate documentation according to the rules, the postings of Ken/Gerri and the screeners.
Voters of course, are more than welcome to do further research into any contributions made to the database. As far as documentation is concerned, I try and keep mine thorough yet as succinct as possible.
If I make an occasional mistake, which every single one of us have, eventually it will be found and fixed. One of the benefits of the community working together. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 287 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I hate to be pedantic, but you didn't say anything, to Kathy, about the changes being explained in the notes. You said it was a "a totally unnecessary contribution." I am trying to figure out why you believe it is a totally unnecessary contribution. Exactly what I was thinking, beacause Kathy was talking about 'documenting her findings'. Anyway, documenting is the key  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I hate to be pedantic, but you didn't say anything, to Kathy, about the changes being explained in the notes. You said it was a "a totally unnecessary contribution." I am trying to figure out why you believe it is a totally unnecessary contribution. LOL, oh wow. If it's not explained then yes, there is no change that they can explain, therefore the Contribution is unnecessary. Now an explanation has been provided for them and i hope they will make use of it.  Wow talk about being obtuse, Martian | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: Removed. For your reference: If they don't respond or are not accepting PMs, it is not acceptable to bring the issue to the forums. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Now let's consider Kathy's BY propagation. And her reference to the BY thread. What is the purpose of the BY data, to separate actors/crew with the same name. O goody, let's kust blindly propagate and even blindly refer to the BY thread, but let's NOT bother to document which of the possible multiple entries might be the ACTUAL correct BY entry. This will be my final response to you Skip on my contributions. First, please stop saying things such as "...blindly propagate and even blindly refer to the BY thread...". That is an unjust accusatory tone that I find highly offensive. As I have explained more than once to you both publicly and in private messages, I am only human and I will make an occasional mistake. So have you. Secondly, I check that the BY is correct. I post the BY thread so that others will find the data easily if they which to double check it. The only requirement per the rules is "Enter birth years only when necessary to differentate between two actors with the same name. When submitting a contribution that adds a birth year to one or more credits, list justification in the contribution notes." The only requirement of me is that I follow the guidelines that Ken has outlined. If you wish to contribute additional data that is fine. As I have said earlier, I keep my documentation as thorough and succinct as possible. Finally, if you do not care for the way that Ken has implemented any of these types of automated database changes, I suggest you bring them up in the rules committee. As it is right now, I am following the rules that are applicable to any and all contributions that I make to the database. I will continue to make contributions to help the community and to make profiler as good as it can be. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 767 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Now let's consider Kathy's BY propagation. And her reference to the BY thread. What is the purpose of the BY data, to separate actors/crew with the same name. O goody, let's kust blindly propagate and even blindly refer to the BY thread, but let's NOT bother to document which of the possible multiple entries might be the ACTUAL correct BY entry. Dear Skip, If you think a contribution is wrong, then why don't you contribute another contribution with the correct data? Put your money where your mouth is, and invest your time in improving the database. I haven't seen too many contributions from you lately. Post count, however, skyrocketing! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
As it is right now, I am following the rules that are applicable to any and all contributions that I make to the database. I will continue to make contributions to help the community and to make profiler as good as it can be. Thanks, Kathy! | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: January 11, 2008 | | Posts: 168 |
| | | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 599 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy, he is only arguing with you due to the fact that you are well liked and respected by the community at large and he is not. Case closed. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Also, your pets are cuter. |
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