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Why do we have contribution notes and contribution votes? |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
I'm not sure if Hans belongs to any of these two groups, or if he simply chose to ignore the "No"-votes. I didn't know whether he saw the "No" votes or not until he came into this thread and identified himself as the person whose contributions I was discussing. He obviously just chose to ignore my objections, which he is of course free to do. What's much worse to my mind is the screeners ignoring them. What's the point to voting "No" if the screeners are going to ignore valid objections? They might just as well skip the voting process altogether. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | If in this case the contributor added complete cast and crew and made 2 mistakes, I can see why it was accepted - better a full cast and crew with a couple of errors than no cast and crew at all.
Of course it would have been nicer if they'd been fixed, and of course you are still entitled, even encouraged, to vote "no" to these contributions, but based on Ken's statement I can see why they were accepted.
Just because the screeners allowed the contribution doesn't mean your vote was ignored, nor that your objections were invalid, it only means that the screeners decided they'd rather have the mostly correct data on the profile.
Recently I had a problem with a contribution and I PMd the user before voting, I got no reply so after a couple of days I voted "no". Do I feel slighted because the user didn't respond? Of course not, I have no idea why they never replied, there could have been any number of reasons. Similarly with this, you can't feel slighted because your "no" vote wasn't acted upon because you have no way of knowing why. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
These may be minor errors, but when you were notified you did nothing. The screeners were notified and did nothing. Please tell me again just why I should continue to vote on contributions. The contributor should have considered your 'no' vote; however, the screeners acted on a long-standing policy to accept profiles which make a significant improvement to the database even if there are some errors. It's a very large leap to suggest that because of this one contribution situation that you should give up voting on contributions. I believe that votes on contributions have been the single largest factor in the improvement of the database. Weird things happen from time to time, but I don't see that as cause to give up entirely. You can certainly contribute the fixes if you wish. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | There's also the possibility that the screener simply made a mistake, they're only human after all... well almost!  |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
It's a very large leap to suggest that because of this one contribution situation that you should give up voting on contributions. I will probably not stop altogether, but I will probably vote neutral a lot more frequently. Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Recently I had a problem with a contribution and I PMd the user before voting, I got no reply so after a couple of days I voted "no". Do I feel slighted because the user didn't respond? Of course not I don't have a problem with the contributor, I have a problem with the voting/screening process. However, I can solve the problem by ignoring it. I will try and do so. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know. IMO, this is a good example where the process works. Yes, there were two mistakes in a cast that, from what I understand, was otherwise empty. Those are minor issues in the grand scheme of things.
Like a few others mentioned, it's a good idea to note the error, then resubmit the corrected if the screeners miss it or accept it regardless because the bigger picture is being looked after.
I will say this, though: while it's a good example of the process working, it's an even better example on why line-by-line acceptance would do wonders in the process. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
What's much worse to my mind is the screeners ignoring them. What's the point to voting "No" if the screeners are going to ignore valid objections? They might just as well skip the voting process altogether. Have you read Ken's stance on this, which I quoted for you on the previous page, at all? That the "standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value"? That gives you all the answers... Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
IMO, this is a good example where the process works. Yes, there were two mistakes in a cast that, from what I understand, was otherwise empty. Those are minor issues in the grand scheme of things. Exactly, and it seems that that's why it was accepted - because it was significantly better than what was there before. Seems like a good thing to me. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Since you obviously were aware of the "No" votes and chose to do nothing about them when you had the chance, it seems a bit odd to me that you've come into this thread to downplay your errors when I hadn't mentioned you at all.
These may be minor errors, but when you were notified you did nothing. The screeners were notified and did nothing. Please tell me again just why I should continue to vote on contributions.
--------------- You started the thread... Anyway, I only wanted to point out that contributions with minor uncertainties can be allowed if the overall contribution is positive. And as I noted before, I did not take the acceptance as a decision on the minor difficulty itself. I was not aware, and you did not point out, that an actual rule was involved. | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
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These may be minor errors, but when you were notified you did nothing.
Many contributors, especially new contributors, do not monitor their submissions. Some because they are not interested, many because they simply don't know that they can do this. That's why I'd like to see an E-Mail notification when a "No" comes in for a contribution.
I'm not sure if Hans belongs to any of these two groups, or if he simply chose to ignore the "No"-votes. The important thing is that if you want to make sure a "No" gets noticed, you better send a PM first. If there's no reaction you still have time to vote "No". I ignored it, because even with the No vote, the point was not clear to me. In my opinion it could go either way (which I realized even when I contributed), and I did not notice a detail in the rules. | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Have you read Ken's stance on this, which I quoted for you on the previous page, at all? Yes, I have. Why should you think my dissatisfaction with the process equals an ignorance of the process? I know how it works and I don't like it. Too bad for me. Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Anyway, I only wanted to point out that contributions with minor uncertainties can be allowed if the overall contribution is positive. Yes, I've known that for a while and have been reminded of it in this thread several times. The world will not come to an end if those "uncertainties" stay in the online db. My database has the information I want in it. I'm sorry to have troubled you. --------------- |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Why should you think my dissatisfaction with the process equals an ignorance of the process? Why should I think that? Because you keep posting things like "Does anyone at Invelos really care about the correctness of the online database?" That's why. I figured that if you were aware of Invelos "standing policy to accept profiles that add significant value", you'd have understood that approving the contribution was simply Invelos favoring a "significant improvement" rather than them not caring about the correctness of the online database. |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Why should I think that? Because you keep posting things like "Does anyone at Invelos really care about the correctness of the online database?" That's why. Of course. I've probably started hundreds of threads on this topic.  Thank you for your patience. --------------- |
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