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Would a showing at the Austin Butt-Numb-A-Thon be valid as Production Year? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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What would be the production year of a film which had been released in theatres abroad but was direct to DVD in the USA. I assume with "across the country" and "nationally" you mean the USA.
Why would you assume that? If a film is released in theatres abroad, then it had a 'Theatrical Release', or am I missing something?  I that case your words "across the country" and "nationally" are highly misleading. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I've always taken the year to be the first year Joe Public could just walk into a cinema and see the film. This Butt-Numb-A-Thon doesn't sound like it's open to the general public so wouldn't be counted for our purposes. For several festivals Joe Public could just buy a ticket if he'd wanted to. |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
IMO if a film has been shown anywhere on the world for an open public, it has been released. And this date would be the release date. This, this, this a thousand times this. IMO, if Joe Public has the opportunity to see it, it's the release date, no matter how limited. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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IMO if a film has been shown anywhere on the world for an open public, it has been released. And this date would be the release date.
This, this, this a thousand times this.
IMO, if Joe Public has the opportunity to see it, it's the release date, no matter how limited. Wanted to clarify what I said earlier in the thread. I understand the rule as it stands and the way it's interpreted as what was stated by Tweeter and the Martian. However, I absolutely agree with what's being said here. I think the release date should be the date it was opened for public audiences to see it. So The Evil Dead... 1981 (it's Detroit Premiere). Crash... 2004 (Toronto International Film Festival) etc. etc. The Austin Butt-Numb-A-Thon still confuses me a bit to be honest. It technically IS open to the public, you just have to enter to be selected to be able to attend. Still, anyone technically could attend if they entered the selection process. I really do think the rule could use a re-wording. It would solve the problems we have with these select films like The Evil Dead, Crash, 300 etc. etc. Right now, they all split their production years in the system, skewing all these CLT numbers. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting RHo:
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What would be the production year of a film which had been released in theatres abroad but was direct to DVD in the USA. I assume with "across the country" and "nationally" you mean the USA.
Why would you assume that? If a film is released in theatres abroad, then it had a 'Theatrical Release', or am I missing something?
I that case your words "across the country" and "nationally" are highly misleading. I don't see how. Isn't the UK a country and a nation? If a film is made and released across the UK, isn't that 'across the country' or 'nationally'? The same goes for a film made and released across Japan, Canada, The Netherlands, insert any country 'here'. While I did use US terms, they aren't exclusive to the US so I don't understand how it is "highly misleading." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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I've always taken the year to be the first year Joe Public could just walk into a cinema and see the film. This Butt-Numb-A-Thon doesn't sound like it's open to the general public so wouldn't be counted for our purposes.
For several festivals Joe Public could just buy a ticket if he'd wanted to. In which case, I think those festivals should be counted. Sometimes that's the only time a film's available to the public before it's video release. But in this specific case, because those attending had to sign up beforehand, I don't class that as available to the general public. |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
The Austin Butt-Numb-A-Thon still confuses me a bit to be honest. It technically IS open to the public, you just have to enter to be selected to be able to attend. Still, anyone technically could attend if they entered the selection process. Oops, I should clarify. In this instance, I agree with you here. It appears to be invite only (seen here), so not just anyone can go and get tickets should they wish. (bolding mine) Quote:
Tickets are now availabe on sale for this event. ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONTACT BY TIM LEAGUE OR HARRY KNOWLES (SEE LIST BELOW) ARE ELIGIBLE TO ATTEND. If you are on the list below, you must pay for your tickets in order to be able to attend BNAT. If you buy tickets and are not on the list below, we appreciate your donation to the Saturday Morning Film Club. I wouldn't count that as a premiere. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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The Austin Butt-Numb-A-Thon still confuses me a bit to be honest. It technically IS open to the public, you just have to enter to be selected to be able to attend. Still, anyone technically could attend if they entered the selection process.
Oops, I should clarify. In this instance, I agree with you here. It appears to be invite only (seen here), so not just anyone can go and get tickets should they wish.
(bolding mine)
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Tickets are now availabe on sale for this event. ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONTACT BY TIM LEAGUE OR HARRY KNOWLES (SEE LIST BELOW) ARE ELIGIBLE TO ATTEND. If you are on the list below, you must pay for your tickets in order to be able to attend BNAT. If you buy tickets and are not on the list below, we appreciate your donation to the Saturday Morning Film Club.
I wouldn't count that as a premiere. Good info to have!  I didn't find that little bit when I was researching it. So everyone should totally get to checking their copies of 300!!!!  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting hallo-marvin:
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(...) For me it is the first screening where everybody had a chance to see it, that would include film festivals that are open to anyone.
For me as well. Fully agree with this. For other options it would be exceedingly difficult to draw the line in practice. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only downside is that in some cases you're going to need to know somethng about the festival, as RHo says, some festivals allow the public to buy tickets for their films. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting RHo:
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What would be the production year of a film which had been released in theatres abroad but was direct to DVD in the USA. I assume with "across the country" and "nationally" you mean the USA.
Why would you assume that? If a film is released in theatres abroad, then it had a 'Theatrical Release', or am I missing something?
I that case your words "across the country" and "nationally" are highly misleading.
I don't see how. Isn't the UK a country and a nation? If a film is made and released across the UK, isn't that 'across the country' or 'nationally'? The same goes for a film made and released across Japan, Canada, The Netherlands, insert any country 'here'. While I did use US terms, they aren't exclusive to the US so I don't understand how it is "highly misleading." So, you are saying that the release date depends on the locality? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
The only downside is that in some cases you're going to need to know somethng about the festival, as RHo says, some festivals allow the public to buy tickets for their films. I would even go so far as to say that it is the norm that the public can buy tickets for a festival. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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The only downside is that in some cases you're going to need to know somethng about the festival, as RHo says, some festivals allow the public to buy tickets for their films.
I would even go so far as to say that it is the norm that the public can buy tickets for a festival. I think there's a distinct difference between buying tickets for a festival and just turning up at a cinema and buying a ticket. In my opinion for it to count as open to the general public the second must be possible. And when MadMartian talks about "country" and "nationally" he's talking about the first country the film was released in, so no the year isn't affected by locality. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I think there's a distinct difference between buying tickets for a festival and just turning up at a cinema and buying a ticket. In my opinion for it to count as open to the general public the second must be possible.
And when MadMartian talks about "country" and "nationally" he's talking about the first country the film was released in, so no the year isn't affected by locality. When I combine the two paragraphs above, you are saying that it is easier for me to watch a film in a foreign country than to buy a ticket to a festival? I would say that any presentation outside my local area is not easy to attend. But for me a release at a festival is as important as the release in any other cinema outside my locality. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not talking about you at all, I'm talking about the general public.
The first year a member of the general public is able to walk up to a cinema ticket office and buy a ticket without any prior booking is the year we use for "production year".
Whether that film is being shown at a festival, on limited release or national release, and which country that film is being shown in are all irrelevant. All that matters is the top statement. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I'm not talking about you at all, I'm talking about the general public.
The first year a member of the general public is able to walk up to a cinema ticket office and buy a ticket without any prior booking is the year we use for "production year".
Whether that film is being shown at a festival, on limited release or national release, and which country that film is being shown in are all irrelevant. All that matters is the top statement. I don't understand the prior booking remark, but it seems that you agree that a festival with public tickets is as valid as any other release. |
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