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SUGGESTED RULE CHANGE regarding use of copyrighted material (other than the DVD cover) in the OVERVIEW or elsewhere
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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I personally prefer the back cover overview to anything else.
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I think some are confusing overview with synopsis.

The overview must come from the package (if available), if not one can write their own.

But if you want to replace the overview with you own synopsis then keep it local.
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I think some are confusing overview with synopsis.

I believe you are correct.  An Overview is a general summary of the subject...in this case, the Blu-ray/HD DVD/DVD release.  That being the case, it may or may not summarize the actual film.

As to the rest, what some people seem to forget is this software started out as collection software.  Just like other collection software...comic book, coin, baseball card, etc...the details tracked were for the individual item being collected.  As the software became more popular, the focus has shifted to be more film oriented.  Since Ken decided to 'patch' the existing software and database, instead of starting from scratch, the results have been less than perfect.

IMDb, on the other hand, started out as a movie database.  Since that was their focus from the start, it isn't surprising that they did a better job of tracking actual movie data.

While I understand the desire, it really isn't fair to compare the two as they were originally designed to do two different things.  To me, it's like complaining that you can't do the same job with your sports car as your neighbor can with his pickup truck.
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Please no IMDb, there is more wrong thant good, f.e. the Cast and Crew.

I totally disagree. Even if we can find some errors in IMDb, 99,9% of actors or crew members link correctly. In Invelos database, we find thousands of variants for same actors that do not link together, and hundreds of same name without birth year that incorrectly link different actors or crew members.


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Everyone that has this program knew what they were getting. If you have a problem with the contribution rules. Don't contribute. If you have a problem with downloading info from the database, don't download.

You don't like the common name, or CLT or you want BY, well add it to your local. Nobody is forced to accept any info from the database, or to provide info to the database.
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While I understand the desire, it really isn't fair to compare the two as they were originally designed to do two different things.  To me, it's like complaining that you can't do the same job with your sports car as your neighbor can with his pickup truck.

I do not compare dvdprofiler with IMDb. IMDb is just a web database with no way to work on personal collection. dvdprofiler is a program that works with a database, and does (at least that is my opinion) its job perfectly as long as local data are correct.

The question is: where can a user find correct data for his local database ?
- In Invelos database, and he will find non linking names for cast and crew. He will also find name variants that have never been used anywhere, just generated by Invelos rules.
- In IMDb, and he will find linking names for cast and crew.

After this, each user may choose what he prefers....
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The question is: where can a user find correct data for his local database ?

Since we are profiling DVDs... on the DVD. Ease of access, correct per se, no copyright issues. The proposal to take the data from anywhere else is absurd.

Maybe Invelos should think about improvements to the data linking, though. A few users rant about it now and then.
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IMDb is just a web database with no way to work on personal collection.

Register at IMDb and you will have the possibility to enter your total collection.
Not on a media but on movie basis. Sadly this database wouldn't have a local component

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- In Invelos database, and he will find non linking names for cast and crew. He will also find name variants that have never been used anywhere, just generated by Invelos rules.

Now this definitely is correct for IMDb too, with just one minor difference, the names are not generated by any rules, but by the fantasy of the profile generator.
Just take a look at the afore mentioned "Take Shelter" again. Here you will find several actors that up till now only appeared in this movie, strangely the IMDb-name differs from the credited variant for some of them. What name did they choose to use? and Why? No one knows.

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- In IMDb, and he will find linking names for cast and crew.


He will?
I remember the case with one puppeteer that has not less than 3 IMDb names (all with identical spelling of course).

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After this, each user may choose what he prefers....


But, by all means,
if IMDb is really that much better for you, why don't you finally draw the matching conclusion?
And if it isn't the better choice for you, then why, oh why, would you want to turn DVDProfiler into an IMDb-clone?

I seriously doubt that cloning IMDb (or any other third party) will ever be allowed (again) for this database.
It is done though, and it is done on a general basis. And while doing this the contributor ignores that IMDb and Invelos data are not compatible, at least not if it comes to sorting out name variants.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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I think surfeur is right. The linking could be a lot better in Profiler.
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I think surfeur is right. The linking could be a lot better in Profiler.


Then do something about it and stop whining.
This is a user-generated database.
If the linking doesn't work, we are to blame.
If the state of the database is a mess, we are to blame.

It really is as simple as that.
If all the energy that is spent on whining about the state of the database would have been invested into the improvement of the database, IMDb would be eager to clone from us.
Instead we have people that only do a minimum (if anything at all) to improve the database crying because it could be sooo much better if we were only allowed to copy from other sources.

I'm so sick of this.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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I agree... the tools are there to make the linking work. The system definitely has it's problems... I have said that from the start... but it will work.
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The linking can work, but really it works best for local because in cases where a BY is not known one can make one up. But for the online database where there are many people with the same name, but no known BYs then they all link together.

Until Ken comes up with a better system for separating cast/crew that share the same name than proper separation and linking will continue to be a problem in regards to the online database.
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I agree... the tools are there to make the linking work. The system definitely has it's problems... I have said that from the start... but it will work.



It will work if people get on board, instead of sitting there doing nothing but complaining about it. That's what gets me, people complaining about it who don't seem to make any effort to improve it.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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A little whine from me...

I do my fair share of contributing but the linking problem is one that I pretty much have given up on.

Why? Because I'm tired of wasting my time on a situation that keeps corrupting my local database.

I literally will need to remove tens of thousands of names/birth years that have been accepted and entered into the database on invelos' end.

Until they find some way to prevent unwanted or unneeded BYs from entering the online database, the problem will never be solved.

I refuse to spend time on a problem that can not stay fixed - that is not only frustrating but I consider it a waste of time.

My time will be spent on problems that can be fixed - I find that to be a better use of my time.
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I agree. I can't bring myself putting energy into what seems to be a lost cause either. Which doesn't mean I won't contribute - quite the contrary. The common name and name linking system however seems to be beyond repair IMHO.
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Well said, Kathy. And you are not whining. You are just expressing your opinion.
We are all allowed to speak our opinion in here. This is a discussion forum.

What puzzles me is the unfriendly tone that someone else in here are using. I wonder where that is coming from.
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