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"Triple Play"
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
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Quoting GSyren:
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Pantheon et al argues that including them is convenient. Well, convenience does not trump the rules. And therefore I think it should not be included.


Now, now...that is NOT what I said is it??? I said that being able to identify these titles is easier (I guess you could say convenient...but I didn't). However, the crux of my argument is that a Double Play is different to a Triple Play; and BOTH of these differentiate themselves from a Single Disc edition.

If you're going to quote me; then please actually quote me and get what I said correct. Also, never imply that I am trying to 'trump the rules'.

Triple Play is a Type of Release. A Special Edition, Collector's Edition or Widescreen disc are all types of release.
I personally never buy a Single Disc version if a Triple or Double play version is available.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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From the Edition rules:

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The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs

If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title


If a movie is released under the same EAN/UPC with different kinds of contents (BR single disc, Doubly Play, Triple Play) the this information falls under the ruling for Edition - IMHO.

I've seen people enter "2-Disc Set" as edition but with "Triply Play" we suddenly get squeamish?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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Quoting GSyren:
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The rule says
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Do not enter media types (such as "Blu-Ray + DVD + Digital Copy") into the edition or title field.
(bold by me)

Now, like the OP says, "Triple Play" is just another way of saying exactly that. So, in my book, that's against the rules. Pantheon et al argues that including them is convenient. Well, convenience does not trump the rules. And therefore I think it should not be included.


The rules say do not enter media types....

Triple Play is in no way a media type. It may say how many media types there is included... or it may not... I remember seeing some release getting cute and calling a triple feature disc (3 different films) as a triple play before.

But Triple play is not a media type. Show me an actual media type called Triple Play and I will concede. Till then Triple Play is allowed per the rules as the rules are written.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantmediadogg
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Seems to me the confusion is whether Edition refers to content (Director's Cut) or packaging (Triple Play). I think it is more useful as a content modifier where movies are concerned. But if you look at the publishing definition of edition, it seems to be more related to packaging (number of copies signed by the artist, for example - OTOH, if the signature is deemed to be content ...).

So I voted no on that basis.
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Seems to me the confusion is whether Edition refers to content (Director's Cut) or packaging (Triple Play).

It is even worse because it can also refer to release, such as an Anniversary Edition, as in The Frighteners: 15th Anniversary Edition or Good Morning Vietnam: 25th Anniversary Edition
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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@Pantheon:
That wasn't a direct quote. I wrote "Pantheon et al" so I was trying to describe what you and those who agreed with you felt. You said "easier", Voltair said "useful". I summed it up as "convenient". I'm sorry if that hurt your sensibilities, but I don't see the big problem.

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Triple Play is in no way a media type. It may say how many media types there is included... or it may not
Oh, come on! In the context described by the OP "Triple play" means exactly "Blu-Ray, DVD and Digital Copy". Are you seriously saying that the exact same information is ok just because it doesn't mention the media types by name? And if it could mean something entirely different, then the informational value of including it would be zilch.

@DJ Doena:
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If a movie is released under the same EAN/UPC with different kinds of contents (BR single disc, Doubly Play, Triple Play) the this information falls under the ruling for Edition - IMHO
That I can agree with. But so far I haven't seen that situation. And I don't think that is the situation that the OP had in mind.
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Hmm this whole thread seems to point to the idea of having a section in the rules for combo packs. Then it may be possible to debate and get a set of plausible rules for adding these profiles: "combo packs" "triple play" "blu-ray+dvd+digital copy" etc etc etc
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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@Addicted:
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Triple Play is in no way a media type. It may say how many media types there is included... or it may not
Oh, come on! In the context described by the OP "Triple play" means exactly "Blu-Ray, DVD and Digital Copy". Are you seriously saying that the exact same information is ok just because it doesn't mention the media types by name? And if it could mean something entirely different, then the informational value of including it would be zilch.


Absolutely 100% YES!... The rule states not to include media types... No more and no less.... and Triple Play is not a Media Type.... no matter what the triple play is referring to. That rule can not be used to vote against Triple Play as an edition. At least not As the rule is written to date.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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@DJ Doena:
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If a movie is released under the same EAN/UPC with different kinds of contents (BR single disc, Doubly Play, Triple Play) the this information falls under the ruling for Edition - IMHO
That I can agree with. But so far I haven't seen that situation. And I don't think that is the situation that the OP had in mind.


Quoting Pantheon:
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At least here in the UK, you can have a Double Play, Triple Play or Single Disc release all on the same day.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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If a movie is released under the same EAN/UPC with different kinds of contents (BR single disc, Doubly Play, Triple Play) the this information falls under the ruling for Edition - IMHO.

Bold by me... Yes, in that case. Otherwise I don't see it as an edition.
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I've seen people enter "2-Disc Set" as edition but with "Triply Play" we suddenly get squeamish?

And I've seen Cast & Crew copied from IMDB. If someone does that, does it make it correct?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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If it is the same UPC/EAN they both won't be able to be put into the database anyway. If it is different region/locality then we really wouldn't need to worry about it anyway.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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The rule states not to include media types... No more and no less.... and Triple Play is not a Media Type.... no matter what the triple play is referring to. That rule can not be used to vote against Triple Play as an edition. At least not As the rule is written to date.

That's playing word games, in my opinion. That's like saying that the majority of the rules don't apply to blu-ray because the rules say "DVD".
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I am playing no games of any type... I am applying the rules exactly as they are stated. If they are to be applied any differently then exactly as they are in the rules... that is something only Invelos can  tell us.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Seems to me the confusion is whether Edition refers to content (Director's Cut) or packaging (Triple Play). I think it is more useful as a content modifier where movies are concerned. But if you look at the publishing definition of edition, it seems to be more related to packaging (number of copies signed by the artist, for example - OTOH, if the signature is deemed to be content ...).

So I voted no on that basis.

Unfortunately, for Profiler purposes, Edition can mean many things.

"The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut)."

The Criterion Collection, as an example, isn't really a collection...even thought it has the word collection in the name...but the name of a media production company.
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That's playing word games, in my opinion. That's like saying that the majority of the rules don't apply to blu-ray because the rules say "DVD".

Actually, you are the one playing word games.  'Triple Play' is not a media type, it is an indication that the set contains three different media types.  To claim otherwise is to be playing word games.
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Depends... does it actually say Combo Pack on the front cover? The ones I have seen don't. And the rules states it must be there.



Hmm.  Just checking a few recent ones of mine, I'm seeing "Combo Pack" on some of them.

King of Thorn: 704400084232

Hellsing Ultimate I-IV (also V-VIII): 704400091018 (actually, image update was accepted but doesn't seem to be available in the db; but you can look it up on Amazon or whatever)


So yes, "Combo Pack" can be part of the cover text, at least if you count the colored header bar/banner as part of the cover.  I could, however, see an argument that the banner that's on a slipcover, but not on the case itself, is not considered an official part of the 'cover'.  That would be a separate debate.



Quoting GSyren:
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Now, like the OP says, "Triple Play" is just another way of saying exactly that. So, in my book, that's against the rules.


Unfortunately, "just another way of saying" something is not sufficient reason for acceptance of certain values with respect to the rules (most notably, variations on spelling and company names), so I see no reason for it to be justification for rejection of another aspect of the rules.

Because of insistence on the absolute minimal amount of text in the rules, a great many things are not well defined in the rules themselves.  Thus, as a fallback to avoid different interpretations of ambiguous terms, the required behavior is to accept only the most explicitly literal and exact interpretation of the rules.

"Media Types" are only known to be: DVD, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, and Digital Copy.  There are a variety of different ways those types can be combined, so a "such as" annotation lists only one of those possible combinations.  It does not, however, define marketing terms as being equivalent to those values, therefore they cannot be assumed to be included in the "such as" list.
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