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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I would have thought my post was self explanatory, but I will attempt to explain.
The 'Credited AS' column has "Based on ____ By" as an acceptable role for OMB. "Based on elements created by fits that credit. In addition, Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett wrote the original story...note I said wrote, not filmed or produced. The written word is another medium, so it fits the notes. I agree that your post was self explanatory but your clarification makes the answer quite clear. OMB is correct per the rules chart and I would submit it as such. It might even meet the spirit of the rules!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Grey:
Raising s valid point is an argument? I could make the comment s lot stronger. But you are ignoring what you wish to make your argument Stand up, it doesn't stand on its own merits by the rules. Omb is adapted from another medium. Now by maally specious argument based simply on screenplays are written on paper and that represents another medium...wow. I am she'll shocked not just by the fact that seldom is anyone willing to say no, not at this time, but the lengths that they will go to attempt to create a logical argument from nothing. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
Does everything have to be an argument on this forum? Seriously, I'm going to stop contributing. It's certainly not worth asking a simple question anymore.
This one is clear.
Closing credits state - "Based on elements created by Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett"
Rules state - "Original Material By" is "Based on ____ By"
Based on elements created by Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett
And further research confirms the Original Material was by these two writers. I don't know why it has to turn into an argument as well. It's a unique situation, not sure why it has to turn into an argument as well. But to be fair the rules are blurry on this one and there are points to be made for all of them. This is defiantly a sequel/prequel. Ridley made those comments because he wanted to make it it's own story, a vastly different one than his original. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Grey:
Raising s valid point is an argument? I could make the comment s lot stronger. But you are ignoring what you wish to make your argument Stan up, it doesn't stand on its own merits by the rules. Omb is adapted from another medium. Now by martian equally specious argument based simply on screenplays are written on paper and that represents another medium...wow. I am she'll shocked not just by the fact that seldom is anyone willing to say no, not at this time, but the lengths that they will go to attempt to create a logical argument from nothing. Who is Stan and what does he have to do with this discussion? And it's not that you are taking another viewpoint, but HOW you are doing so. Like Dalton always said; Be nice... | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,261 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see what you're saying, WS. It does indeed say in the notes "Adapted from another medium."
But does that preclude the same medium?
If that is so, pretty much ALL prequels and sequels with a similar credit would be invalid entries for Original Material By.
The Rules are currently contradictory then.
I guess it should say ...
"For example, adapted from another medium."
... but I am aware it doesn't. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Double
I am being nice. I politely asked to justify omb. What do I get for explanation...horsefeathers, partial reading of a rule to create an interpretation or even worse completely turning the rule inside out to mysteriously make a screenplay another medium because it is written....please. but I am trying very hard to be nice | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | OMB. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Technically, the other medium in this case is a screenplay for a different movie. The Academy puts remakes under the adaptation category for this reason. OMB was meant for adaptations, not prequels and sequels, but OMB is what a literalistic interpretation of the rules calls for. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
It might even meet the spirit of the rules! For what it's worth...if I am being honest, it isn't really woth much...I was involved in the addition of "Based on ____ By" to the crew chart and OMB does meet the spirit of the rules.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Grey
It is not omb under the rules, that simple. Les Mis will be omb, Broadway musical to film. The Life. of Pi will be omb book to film. Another medium. Would SWAT be omb, tv to film, undecided I can ser both side there. But Prometheus, if it is anything can only be PCB, and that seems kind of iffy. But I am willing to listen to arguments there. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: Removed | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | FWIW IMO OMB | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Grey
It is not omb under the rules, that simple. Les Mis will be omb, Broadway musical to film. The Life. of Pi will be omb book to film. Another medium. Would SWAT be omb, tv to film, undecided I can ser both side there. But Prometheus, if it is anything can only be PCB, and that seems kind of iffy. But I am willing to listen to arguments there. Others, in fact the vast majority, disagree and believe it is OMB under the rules, "that simple." "But, I am willing to arguments there". Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Martian
Now that is perhaps the dumbest comment I have ever heard from you. How is insulting someones comments helpful? Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
It doesn't even meet the lettervof the rules, no way can it be in the spirit, which it is clearly not. Who are you to say what is in the spirit of the rules or not? One can not make proprietary claims on abstract ideas or concepts. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let's all play follow the leader just like a bunch of lemmings. It's against the rules. This is just too weird and if I didn't understand the behavior patterns of most of you, , I would not believe it.. skip is mean and nasty, all he does is argue. And he can't type and that is just inconsiderate. From my viewpiint, seldom do I see someone that can put together a cogent argument and debate.it. very disappointingly. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy
Have you looked at your own behavior, dear. You are judgemental and self righteous in the extreme. God help you if you ever have to walk in my shoes, its not fun. You deride me for my typing skills, I get after martian for a nonsensical argument and that's an insult. Give me a break. I did not go after martian, I ent after what he said. The majority in this case means NOTHING. You present no rational argument. The majority vottes many times not against something as much as they do someone. I have not even said how or if I voted. Like a bunch of lemmings you conclude on your own and vote accordingly.
No one has attempted to present any rational argument. Not even ace trying to drag something in that has nothing to do with profiler. Grey at least asked a legitimate question and said he saw where I was coming from, he's the only one. Everyone else...stepford comes to mind | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Let's all play follow the leader just like a bunch of lemmings. I take an issue, look at the relevant aspects of it and make up my own mind. What I don't do is resort to name calling and insults to back up my decisions. Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
This is just too weird and if I didn't understand the behavior patterns This is how I feel about most of your posts. Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
skip is mean and nasty, all he does is argue. And he can't type and that is just inconsiderate. I take great care in my forum posts. Even when I am critical, I try not to use words that are disrespectful. I don't call people names or insult them or their comments. What would your call the deliberate refusal to easily correct spelling errors despite numerous requests by the community? But, I have noticed that you have been more careful not submitting "skippos" - thank you. Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
From my viewpiint, seldom do I see someone that can put together a cogent argument and debate.it. very disappointingly. When someone has an opposing viewpoint, you often ask for clarification or explanation. Which, in most cases, this request if fulfilled. On the other hand, when you are asked for clarification or explanation, very seldom do you fill that request. I don't know why you demand people do one thing while refusing to comply when someone asks you to do the exact same thing. I find that to be very disappointing. Edit: I am not going to bother responding to any other comments Skip makes to me in this thread. I believe that the OP has a good idea of the community's thoughts on this issue and can make up their own mind on how to submit this data. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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