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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
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The crew credit is "song writer", so my first guess would be that it's a new song. Why? Because new lyrics was written, so it isn't the same original song. Before you ask, a remix is the same music just mixed differently so it isn't an original song.

As I said it's a guess as I don't touch that area of the credits.


But remixes are more than just music mixed differently. Sometimes lyrics can be added or moved, making it a new song entirely. There are tons of remixes I like that are far different than the original.

(Note, this isn't anger typing.  )
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It was just a guess as I said I don't do song credit in my profiles (not even in my personal database)... too complicated
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I don't consider a remix something just messed around with. Although I can see why people see that (and I don't really care enough to debate it ).

Let me ask you this (and this is just the sake of curiosity again). Say an artist had a song released a few years back, but then re-records that song with slightly different lyrics specifically for a movie. Is that the same as a remix?


Good question and I don't really know and again could probably argue both sides. New lyrics and music would pretty much be a new song to me, so I think I'd have to say yes to that. It doesn't fit my Matrix example as that is just new music with the old vocal track, but in a different situation probably should be called a new song if that much is changed. I always looked at remixes that really add something else as new songs (Luniz' "I got 5 on It" with different guest rappers/verses and Eazy-E's "Still Talkin'" with 2 new verses and new interludes are prime examples).

I try to stick with just doing song credits for stuff I know about, mainly rap and heavy metal. I have trouble finding out what Justin Bieber songs are to anything, but will know a 2 Live Crew song that was never released in a second! I'd suggest others do the same and audit the stuff you do know, leave what you don't for someone who does. It took a while before I felt comfortable doing these credits too, but after a few no-brainers for me, I feel way better about doing them now.
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Well if the crew intent is ot only have crew that could get an academy award.....

Here is what this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Original_Song) has to say

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The original requirement was only that the nominated song appear in a motion picture during the previous year. This rule was changed after the 1941 Academy Awards, when "The Last Time I Saw Paris", from the film Lady Be Good, with music by Jerome Kern and lyrics by Oscar Hammerstein II, won. Kern was upset that his song won because it had been published and recorded before it was used in the film. The song was actually written in 1940, after the Germans occupied Paris at the start of World War II. It was recorded by Kate Smith and peaked at number 8 on the best seller list before it was used in the film Lady Be Good. Kern got the Academy to change the rule so that only songs that are "original and written specifically for the film" are eligible to win.[1][2]

Songs that were published prior to a film's production having nothing to do with the film, such as "Unchained Melody" in the 1990 film Ghost and "I Will Always Love You" in the 1992 film The Bodyguard, cannot qualify (although "Unchained Melody" was nominated when first released for the 1955 film Unchained). In addition, songs that rely on sampled or reworked material, such as "Gangsta's Paradise" in the 1995 film Dangerous Minds, are also ineligible.

When a film is adapted from a previously-written stage musical, none of the songs from the stage version of the musical (and other sources) are eligible. As a result, many recent film adaptations of stage musicals have included original songs which could be nominated, such as "You Must Love Me" in the 1996 film Evita, and "Listen", "Love You I Do" and "Patience" in the 2006 film Dreamgirls.

There was a debate as to whether or not Glen Hansard and Marketa Irglova, who were awarded the Oscar in 2008 for "Falling Slowly", were in fact eligible. "Falling Slowly" has been released on two other albums — The Swell Season, Hansard and Irglova's duo project and The Cost, by Hansard's band The Frames. The Swell Season was released in August 2006, and The Cost in February 2007, before the release of Once. However, the AMPAS music committee determined that, in the course of the film's protracted production, the composers had "played the song in some venues that were deemed inconsequential enough to not change the song's eligibility".[3] The same issue arose two years earlier with "In the Deep" from Crash, which appeared on Kathleen "Bird" York's 2003 album The Velvet Hour after being written for Crash, but before the film was released.


I think this may add some clarity.  It seems that although there are some exceptions to the rule, at the very least if the song was released prior to the movie it is not eligible for the award and therefore could not be used.

The exceptions appear to have been granted in cases where the film production had a protracted duration.

But since we usually do not add thhe crew credit if htere is any vagueness you could proabably use that as a general guideline.

Just an idea
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I don't know for a fact, but I doubt that the AMPAS recognizes remixes as eligble unless the remix and the non remixed version were released after the movies production.

Also with crew (from what I have read) the main stance has been (as far as the online database concerned) "When in doublt, leave it out".  So IMHO unless you absolutely know, it is best not to have it there.
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It was just a guess as I said I don't do song credit in my profiles (not even in my personal database)... too complicated


Yeah, it does get complicated for sure. I'm the same.

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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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I don't consider a remix something just messed around with. Although I can see why people see that (and I don't really care enough to debate it ).

Let me ask you this (and this is just the sake of curiosity again). Say an artist had a song released a few years back, but then re-records that song with slightly different lyrics specifically for a movie. Is that the same as a remix?


Good question and I don't really know and again could probably argue both sides. New lyrics and music would pretty much be a new song to me, so I think I'd have to say yes to that. It doesn't fit my Matrix example as that is just new music with the old vocal track, but in a different situation probably should be called a new song if that much is changed. I always looked at remixes that really add something else as new songs (Luniz' "I got 5 on It" with different guest rappers/verses and Eazy-E's "Still Talkin'" with 2 new verses and new interludes are prime examples).

I try to stick with just doing song credits for stuff I know about, mainly rap and heavy metal. I have trouble finding out what Justin Bieber songs are to anything, but will know a 2 Live Crew song that was never released in a second! I'd suggest others do the same and audit the stuff you do know, leave what you don't for someone who does. It took a while before I felt comfortable doing these credits too, but after a few no-brainers for me, I feel way better about doing them now.


I think it just boils down to preference (thus one of the reasons I won't debate it unless I feel very strongly about it). Like, there are some remixes that totally change the song, then there are others that are probably like the Rob Zombie case you brought up where it doesn't do much. I won't bother arguing the latter situations because I can see the opponent's side to it. And for some reason, I still also have faith where people can still be open minded enough as well as knowing their limitations (meaning I would have no problems defer to you when it comes to 2 Live Crew knowledge).

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Also with crew (from what I have read) the main stance has been (as far as the online database concerned) "When in doublt, leave it out".  So IMHO unless you absolutely know, it is best not to have it there.


Yeah, agree with that for sure.
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