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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules seems clear to me. Rules says take original title from Film Credits.
Is it Killbots in the film credits? No... so it can't be used Per the Rules... which the rules and Ken's clarifications is all that matters for the online database.
Nothing you said makes that fact any different. IMHO voters are not following the rules when it comes to this field. But I can tell you that I for one will only contribute and vote per how the rules are written. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
The rules specifically allows for the tracking of the original feature title. That means it must be allowed to enter the original feature title regardless of medium in the original title field. I can not interpret the rules in any other way. If we are not allowed to enter the original title, the original feature title can not be tracked and then the rule would make no sense and of course the original title field would be useless for this purpose. This is exactly what the Original Title field should be used for...the films' Original Title. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | But Kathy... where does the rules tell you to take this info from? | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,640 |
| | Posted: | | | | We have a field named Production Year. We don't use it for production year. We use it for year of first release. Because that's what the rules say. And most people seem to accept that. We have a field named Original Title. And we use it for onscreen title (in some cases). Because that's what the rules say. I'm bewildered by the fact that one such inconsistency is readily accepted and the other isn't...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exactly... the rules tells us exactly how to use the field. That is all that should matter...at least for the online. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I just cannot ignore the rules telling us where to get the original title from. If they wanted the original title no matter what they wouldn't have put any restrictions on where to get the info from. Where exactly are you reading those restrictions? The rules do not mention any onscreen title or DVD credits, only "the film's credits". In this case that would be the original theatrical feature, or whatever came first. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Exactly... the rules tells us exactly how to use the field. That is all that should matter...at least for the online. But then different issues of the same film under differnt titles would not link in the CLT. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am sorry... but the film credits is on the DVD. We all know that everywhere the film is mentioned in the rules it is talking about the film on the disc. As well as the rules also state... Quote:
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible. The credits is on the DVD... so as the rules says... always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible. The credits are on the DVD... so those are the ones we use... Per the Rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
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I just cannot ignore the rules telling us where to get the original title from. If they wanted the original title no matter what they wouldn't have put any restrictions on where to get the info from.
Where exactly are you reading those restrictions? The rules do not mention any onscreen title or DVD credits, only "the film's credits". In this case that would be the original theatrical feature, or whatever came first. This is how I'm interpreting the rules. Plus: Quote:
Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary: Says nothing about DVD there. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry... my opinion has not changed. If Ken wants to clarify differently... totally up to him... I would be all for it. But till then per the rules... it is the credits that is on the DVD. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
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I just cannot ignore the rules telling us where to get the original title from. If they wanted the original title no matter what they wouldn't have put any restrictions on where to get the info from.
Where exactly are you reading those restrictions? The rules do not mention any onscreen title or DVD credits, only "the film's credits". In this case that would be the original theatrical feature, or whatever came first.
This is how I'm interpreting the rules.
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Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
Says nothing about DVD there. That is for Modified titles... this isn't a modified title... it is an Alternate Title. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Sorry... my opinion has not changed. If Ken wants to clarify differently... totally up to him... I would be all for it. But till then per the rules... it is the credits that is on the DVD. Per your interpretation of the rules. I would vote yes on an original title change that had a different title theatrically than on the DVD. And unless Ken says different, I'm following the rules, too. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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I just cannot ignore the rules telling us where to get the original title from. If they wanted the original title no matter what they wouldn't have put any restrictions on where to get the info from.
Where exactly are you reading those restrictions? The rules do not mention any onscreen title or DVD credits, only "the film's credits". In this case that would be the original theatrical feature, or whatever came first.
This is how I'm interpreting the rules.
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Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
Says nothing about DVD there.
That is for Modified titles... this isn't a modified title... it is an Alternate Title. Sorry, but the argument even makes less sense now. Only change the original title if it's been modified from its theatrical run, but don't change the original title if it's completely different? That really makes no sense to me. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I am sorry... but the film credits is on the DVD. We all know that everywhere the film is mentioned in the rules it is talking about the film on the disc.
As well as the rules also state...
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The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
The credits is on the DVD... so as the rules says... always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible. The credits are on the DVD... so those are the ones we use... Per the Rules. We do not get ALL information from the DVD (production year most notably) and since it is not possible to get the information directly from the DVD if the title has changed, we must look elsewhere. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am just going strictly by what the rules say... nothing more and nothing less... As I said... if Ken wants to clarify to allow this... wonderful. Another thing... the sources used is still not coming from the credits... only brief mentions that this was the case from 2 different sites. So per rules still not coming from the film credits... but coming from basically hearsay. See this Rule... Quote:
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible. So the source for this change is not the film's credits on the disc... not even other film credits.. but from 2 sites that claim it to be so.Don't seem like the contribution is following the rules to me. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually one of the links wasn't from a third party database. And if you want to nitpick that, I can give you countless links that aren't a third party database that confirm that original title. Hell, here's a link to the poster with that title. See this Rule: Quote:
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible. "whenever possible". Sometimes it's not possible. And it's okay, according to the rules, to not use the DVD as the source in some situations. Like when it's not possible. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
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