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Media company names: SF (Svensk Filmindustri) |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
Quoting Behemot:
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The Norwegian company is called "SF Norge AS", not "Svensk Filmindustri Norge AS" or just "SF". AS is a suffix and must be removed when contributing. "Norge" is part of the company name and must be kept, so that "SF Norge" is the correct name for DVD Profiler purposes.
http://www.sf-film.no/filmrelatert/article1000607.ece
I agree, as long as the logo shows the same name.
 Many Scandinavian releases use the exact same disc for both Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark. Because of this, sometimes only SF is shown in the logo on start-up (as this logo is common for all four countries), and not SF Norge. SF Norge, as seen on the DVD cover of such releases, will still be the correct name of the Norwegian distributor. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
Many Scandinavian releases use the exact same disc for both Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark. Then I think, for those releases, that it would be a good idea to use the same company name, since the media is after all made by the same company. And it would comply with the rule I quoted earlier, to list companies using similar names only once using the name from the logo. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
Quoting Behemot:
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Many Scandinavian releases use the exact same disc for both Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark.
Then I think, for those releases, that it would be a good idea to use the same company name, since the media is after all made by the same company. And it would comply with the rule I quoted earlier, to list companies using similar names only once using the name from the logo. I don't like the idea since it's distributed by a different companies depending on country. Rules doesn't say that we must take MC from the disc. BTW, usually that logo is for theatrical distributor. In this case we are looking for DVD\BD distributor, so why can't we just take it from back cover where it's usually printed correctly? (At least in Finnish releases). |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting iPatsa:
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Quoting Behemot:
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Many Scandinavian releases use the exact same disc for both Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark.
Then I think, for those releases, that it would be a good idea to use the same company name, since the media is after all made by the same company. And it would comply with the rule I quoted earlier, to list companies using similar names only once using the name from the logo.
I don't like the idea since it's distributed by a different companies depending on country. Rules doesn't say that we must take MC from the disc. BTW, usually that logo is for theatrical distributor. In this case we are looking for DVD\BD distributor, so why can't we just take it from back cover where it's usually printed correctly? (At least in Finnish releases). I agree with Kulju. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
I don't like the idea since it's distributed by a different companies depending on country. Rules doesn't say that we must take MC from the disc. BTW, usually that logo is for theatrical distributor. In this case we are looking for DVD\BD distributor, so why can't we just take it from back cover where it's usually printed correctly? (At least in Finnish releases). I don't see the point of fragmenting the company names any more than necessary. What is the advantage? And I don't see it done for local branches of Paramount or Universal releases often containing the exact same discs so why should SF be treated any differently? | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
I don't see the point of fragmenting the company names any more than necessary. What is the advantage? Your idea is fragmenting the company names more than mine. You said "for those releases" we should use same company names, if the discs are identical, so what then if they are not? We would use another name even if the distributor is the same? I have several releases distributed by Finnish company, but the discs are identical to UK release. Should I use the UK disributor then, even when it's completely different company? It doesn't make any sense. In Finland the company is called SF Film Finland, but since we omit country suffix, we enter it as SF Film. We cannot use SF, since it means completely different company here SF = Suomen Filmiteollisuus. Quote:
And I don't see it done for local branches of Paramount or Universal releases often containing the exact same discs so why should SF be treated any differently? We treat them exactly the same. Take the company name and omit the country suffix = SF Film. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, I'm saying follow the rules and use the name from the logo.
SF Film might fall under secondary publishers though. I don't know, and frankly I don't really care, but the question was asked and I gave my reply. Not my problem if you don't like it. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
No, I'm saying follow the rules and use the name from the logo. Rules doesn't say that, because that would be moronic. Rules say where we can usually find Publisher, Licensor and Distributor info. Rules doesn't say that we must try to replicate the logo with ASCII characters. Rules definitely doesn't say that we shoud take any of this info from disc since it's usually Theatrical distributor, not media Publisher, Licensor and Distributor. In Finland we have a large distributor, Finnkino. Their logo contains only letter F. So in your opinion distributor should be F? Future Film should entered as FF? How would you separate Svensk Filmindustri (SF) and Suomen filmiteollisuus (SF)? |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 259 |
| | Posted: | | | | The primary source for the media companies according the rules is the back cover, not the disc.
"Media Companies
The company(ies) responsible for the publishing (creating, assembling and ordering of the DVD/HD/BD content) and/or physical distribution of the media.
Enter in the following order:
•Publisher (Content) - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block, often containing the words "home video" or "home entertainment. Secondary publishers (eg. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.
•Licensor (Home Video Rights) - Usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box or in the credit block with words words regarding "under license from...".
•Distributor - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block with words regarding distribution."
[bolding by me] | | | | Markku |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pistol Pete: Quote:
The primary source for the media companies according the rules is the back cover, not the disc. No, according to the rules that is where it is usually found, not that it is the primary source. I have seen many cases where the MC is added to the disc and is the first thing that is shown. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Pistol Pete:
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The primary source for the media companies according the rules is the back cover, not the disc.
No, according to the rules that is where it is usually found, not that it is the primary source. I have seen many cases where the MC is added to the disc and is the first thing that is shown. That's true also, but the rules doesn't say that we must or should take that info from discs. |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not that we MUST or SHOULD take it from there, no, but they don't forbid it either.
I usually just mention where I got the data in my contribution notes. Most often that would be the back cover, supported by what's seen first when you enter the disc in your drive. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pistol Pete: Quote:
"The company(ies) responsible for the publishing (creating, assembling and ordering of the DVD/HD/BD content) and/or physical distribution of the media.
Enter in the following order:
•Publisher (Content) - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block, often containing the words "home video" or "home entertainment. Secondary publishers (eg. The Criterion Collection's Eclipse label) may also be listed.
•Licensor (Home Video Rights) - Usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box or in the credit block with words words regarding "under license from...".
•Distributor - Usually found as a logo on the bottom of the back cover or in the credit block with words regarding distribution."
Yes, good that you posted the full rules. Since the publisher (creator of the physical media) is without question the same for all Nordic countries whenever there is an identical release, the first media company field should contain Svensk Filmindustri for those releases where it's found as a logo on the disc or packaging. Licensor I don't know about but SF Film would clearly fall under distributor so it would come last. So the good news is that we can list all the companies involved and not lose any information. This wouldn't have been possible with only one media company field so I guess going to three was good for something... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting iPatsa:
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No, I'm saying follow the rules and use the name from the logo.
Rules doesn't say that, because that would be moronic. I'm sorry but the rules say exactly that. It might be moronic but it certainly isn't just an opinion. I haven't stated my personal opinion because I was never interested in anything except the distributor. But we have what we have and must make the best of it according to the rules. Also, if SF published the disc, they have to be listed as a media company, unless they are somehow entirely uncredited. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
That's true also, but the rules doesn't say that we must or should take that info from discs. Actually, if you want to be technical about it, they do. From the very first page of the rules: The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.That means, if the data can be found on the disc, that is where it should come from.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Kulju:
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That's true also, but the rules doesn't say that we must or should take that info from discs.
Actually, if you want to be technical about it, they do. From the very first page of the rules:
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
That means, if the data can be found on the disc, that is where it should come from. But in this case it is incorrect data. The logo on opening credits is a theatrical distributor, not DVD/BD distributor. Seriously, this cannot be that hard. If the back cover stands "Distributed by SF Film Finland" we enter "SF Film" to MC field. Extremely simple. |
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