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How to handle Italian names with apostrophes in place of diacritics when typed in all caps
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorateo357
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If people follow the rules for cast and crew contributions and quit mining IMDB or deciding to enter what they think the name should be, and contribute what is the on-screen credit. We wouldn't need to have so many common name searches.


"So many common name searches" are due to so many different on screen credits. What you just said not only makes no sense, but is a blanket insult to a LOT of people who take the time to work on and contribute to the user built database.



Take it any way you like. When you have a movie with actor A who has used 2 or 3 different names over the years, credited as varient 1 in it (usually the same in all versions) but people are using the other 2 varients that are not the correct screen credit. Now that 1 film is credited in the CLT to 3 different names. That's not the program, that is "the LOT of people who take time to work on and contribute"? I'm not dissing the handful that contribute what is on screen, just the ones who say they matched the screen credits and lied about it.
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All those that opted for "Manfredi Aliquò" will hopefully not forget this decision when it comes to entering Diane Kruger (in this regard correct would be: Diana Krüger) or Armin Mueller-Stahl (correct German spelling would be Armin Müller-Stahl).

BTW: It would be easily possible to apply diacritical signs even in All-caps [Ò], so why on earth should I change a credit that obviously is there for a reason (even if I don't understand which one that might be).

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If the Italians (or the French) are not willing to use the capabilities of their keyboards, why should I?
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
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If the Italians (or the French) are not willing to use the capabilities of their keyboards, why should I?

I think it was already explained it is a habit that stuck after the language was tortured for decades by mainframe lineprinters that had only USA-style characters (as in 'no accented ones').

Same here in the Netherlands. Our language is (was?) rich in accented characters: surnames, names of places and rivers (like: Rhône), how to imply emphasis (use dè instead of de --de is the Dutch equivalent of 'the'--. Decades of torture by these lineprinters, when everybody got their prints (from payslips to birth register print-outs etc), has now led to the language standards committee butchering the language too (Rhône should now be spelled as Rhone in Dutch -- never mind that this spelling should (!) cause a different pronounciation), and civil servants removing accented characters from names if you're trying to acquire the Dutch nationality. Sad but true.

And if I understood correctly, the German language standards committee has been making an effort to reduce the use of the ß. Much critisized, but nonetheless AFAIK.

I am afraid us bunch of DVDp users are rather powerless to change grown bad habits in society    sniff   
Eric

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If the Italians (or the French) are not willing to use the capabilities of their keyboards, why should I?

You forget three things:
1/ with French spelling rules, FRANCOIS is correct, Francois is not.
2/ keyboards have been existing for less than 30 years, and credits for more than 100 years. Before keyboards, typewriters were not able to type accented capital letters.
3/ when you transform credits from capital to small letters, you loose your "carbon copy" of credits. Why not do this transformation correctly ? (avoiding adding spelling mistakes that are not in those credits)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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... will hopefully not forget this decision when it comes to entering Diane Kruger (in this regard correct would be: Diana Krüger)...

I agree with Krüger (that is how she is in my local), but I have never seen Diana, just Diane (She is born Diane Heidkrüger)
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