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How to handle multiple editions on cover?

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	Lewis_Prothero
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Posted:

Assuming that "Own the Moments" is the title of a release-series and therefore part of the title of the individual boxsets. It may also be:

Own the Moments: Jennifer's Body / Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

If instead of the movie-titles they would have used a release number (e.g. "Own the Moments 1") this would undoubtedly go all into the title-field.
What I don't understand is in how far it makes any difference how the release is specified (number or movie-titles).

It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?

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	TheMadMartian
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Posted:

Quoting Lewis_Prothero:

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What I don't understand is in how far it makes any difference how the release is specified (number or movie-titles).

It doesn't make any difference. If the name of the series is "Own the Moments", then that is what should be in the title field. What has happened here is that user preference has trumped the rules.

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	Addicted2DVD

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Posted:

I wouldn't go as far as saying user preference trumped the rules. It could be the original contributor didn't believe that "Own the Moments" is part of the title. I know looking at that cover I would never dreamed that "Own the Moments" would be part of the title... I would never even thought of adding it to the edition either. Everything on the front case is not necessarily part of one of those two fields.

Even considering what I know now (that there is more then one release that says it) I am not completely convinced it is part of the title or edition.

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	Kathy

Registered: May 29, 2007

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Posted:

There have been differing viewpoints on these issues for years and there has never been a consensus on what is "correct" since any of them could be "right"

Ken has weighed in on the topic here: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=667247&PageNum=10

The problem is that although Ken states consistency is key, as far as this topic is concerned, the database is a mess.

At one time I started going through and comparing how these types of titles were entered and found hundreds/thousands of titles/editions entered all kinds of different ways.

It was at that point I locked all of my title/edition fields. As I go through my collection, I enter the data the same way so that at least locally I have standardized my profiles.

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	CalebAndCo
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Posted:

Quoting Lewis_Prothero:

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Assuming that "Own the Moments" is the title of a release-series and therefore part of the title of the individual boxsets. It may also be:

Own the Moments: Jennifer's Body / Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

If instead of the movie-titles they would have used a release number (e.g. "Own the Moments 1") this would undoubtedly go all into the title-field.
What I don't understand is in how far it makes any difference how the release is specified (number or movie-titles).

You mean like "Criterion Collection ##" and "Dragon Dynasty ##"?

	DoubleDownAgain
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Posted:

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
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What I don't understand is in how far it makes any difference how the release is specified (number or movie-titles).

It doesn't make any difference. If the name of the series is "Own the Moments", then that is what should be in the title field. What has happened here is that user preference has trumped the rules.

Am I that 'user'?

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	DoubleDownAgain
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Posted:

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
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What I don't understand is in how far it makes any difference how the release is specified (number or movie-titles).

It doesn't make any difference. If the name of the series is "Own the Moments", then that is what should be in the title field. What has happened here is that user preference has trumped the rules.

I just wanted to highlight this post again. This is why I loath discussing things in the forum. When I contribute and/or vote I always try and follow the rules. I don't see anything in the rules for 'Own the Moments' to be in the title field. YOUR OPINION that it belongs in the Title is just that, YOUR OPINION. I left it off the initial submission because I wasn't clear that it should be included. If I didn't want it in my local I can easily adjust it. Just a FYI I contributed 'Own the Moments' to the edition field.

A big **** *** to you for making assumptions on my motives and your little snide remarks.

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	TheMadMartian
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Quoting DoubleDownAgain:

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I just wanted to highlight this post again. This is why I loath discussing things in the forum. When I contribute and/or vote I always try and follow the rules. I don't see anything in the rules for 'Own the Moments' to be in the title field. YOUR OPINION that it belongs in the Title is just that, YOUR OPINION. I left it off the initial submission because I wasn't clear that it should be included. If I didn't want it in my local I can easily adjust it. Just a FYI I contributed 'Own the Moments' to the edition field.

A big **** *** to you for making assumptions on my motives and your little snide remarks.

Talk about making assumptions.

First, I never said that 'Own the Moments' was the title, I said, "If the name of the series is 'Own the Moments', then that is what should be in the title field. Notice I said if/then, not is/must.

Second, Lewis asked a general question...one not specific to this title as this situation is not unique and has come up before. I answered that general question using this set as an example, but there are many others...Horror Classics, Sci-Fi Double Feature, Action Double Feature, etc. in all the discussions we have had, going back several years, user preference...that preference being it is easier to find the profile when searching by title if the actual film titles are in the title field, regardless of what the series is called...has trumped the rules.

Sorry to disappoint, but my post had zero to do with you. In fact, until your post above, I had no idea you were the one who had asked the original question.

	DoubleDownAgain
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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Sorry to disappoint, but my post had zero to do with you. In fact, until your post above, I had no idea you were the one who had asked the original question.

Zero to do with me? Re-read your post. In fact re-read the thread before making accusations or assumptions. If you didn't know I was the one to bring up 'Own the Moments' then you shouldn't say have made the statement you did.

Lewis may have made a general question, but your answer was very specific even mentioning 'Own the Moments' which I initially brought up.

Regardless of any discussion held in these forums, it is NOT IN THE RULES.

Are you apologizing?

You stated:

"What has happened here is that user preference has trumped the rules"

Do you still feel this is an accurate depiction? Instead of playing CYA why don't you just say you were wrong, that you didn't read the thread and apologize for casting disparaging remarks towards me?

	Nexus the Sixth
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Posted:

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Everything on the front case is not necessarily part of one of those two fields.

Looking at some of the recent contributions, I believe you are mistaken.

At this point I'd rather see the complete removal of the edition field since it no longer serves any useful purpose. It's just another place for entering meaningless marketing rubbish.

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	GSyren
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Posted:

Quoting iPatsa:

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Everything on the front case is not necessarily part of one of those two fields.

Looking at some of the recent contributions, I believe you are mistaken.

At this point I'd rather see the complete removal of the edition field since it no longer serves any useful purpose. It's just another place for entering meaningless marketing rubbish.

Amen!

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Quoting iPatsa:

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At this point I'd rather see the complete removal of the edition field since it no longer serves any useful purpose. It's just another place for entering meaningless marketing rubbish.

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	TheMadMartian
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Quoting DoubleDownAgain:

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Zero to do with me? Re-read your post. In fact re-read the thread before making accusations or assumptions. If you didn't know I was the one to bring up 'Own the Moments' then you shouldn't say have made the statement you did.

I don't need to reread my post as I know exactly what I wrote and it had zero to do with you.

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Lewis may have made a general question, but your answer was very specific even mentioning 'Own the Moments' which I initially brought up.

I used 'Own the Moments' because that is the name Lewis used. If he had used a different example, I would have used it. Again, zero to do with you, everything to do with the general question.

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Regardless of any discussion held in these forums, it is NOT IN THE RULES.

Sure it is..."Use the title from the front cover." 'Own the Moments' is on the front cover so, IF it is the title of the series of releases, THEN it goes in the title field. IF it is not, THEN it doesn't.

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Are you apologizing?

You stated:

"What has happened here is that user preference has trumped the rules"

Do you still feel this is an accurate depiction? Instead of playing CYA why don't you just say you were wrong, that you didn't read the thread and apologize for casting disparaging remarks towards me?

I made my post based on the fact that this has come up before and, honestly, payed no attention to your cover scan post until you made your post above. SO, while I am sorry that you thought I was casting disparaging remarks towards you, I am not going to apologize for something I didn't do.

I don't play CYA as I freely own my snide remarks. I do, however, clarify my posts when somebody takes them the wrong way. Since that is what happened here, there isn't much else I can do.

	DoubleDownAgain
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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Sure it is..."Use the title from the front cover." 'Own the Moments' is on the front cover so, IF it is the title of the series of releases, THEN it goes in the title field. IF it is not, THEN it doesn't.

How to you determine what should go in the title field and what should go in the Title field? The rules are very vague, it's not as simple as you make it out to be, and like most of the rules can be interperted differently by different people.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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I made my post based on the fact that this has come up before and, honestly, payed no attention to your cover scan post until you made your post above. SO, while I am sorry that you thought I was casting disparaging remarks towards you, I am not going to apologize for something I didn't do.

But you DID do it, wether it was intentional or not.

Once again here is your entire post:

Quoting TheMadMartian:

Quote:
Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
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What I don't understand is in how far it makes any difference how the release is specified (number or movie-titles).

It doesn't make any difference. If the name of the series is "Own the Moments", then that is what should be in the title field. What has happened here is that user preference has trumped the rules.

You stated "What has happened here is that user preference has trumped the rules" directly after referencing "Own the Moments". I wasn't making any assumptions. I wasn't reading anything into your post that wasn't there. You gave the example of "Own the Moments" and said the user (ME!) ignored the rules for their own personal preference. The way YOU wrote it, how else am I supposed to take it? Take responsibility for your actions, intended or otherwise.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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I don't play CYA as I freely own my snide remarks. I do, however, clarify my posts when somebody takes them the wrong way. Since that is what happened here, there isn't much else I can do.

Besides simply apologize?

	Kulju

Registered: March 14, 2007

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Quoting DoubleDownAgain:

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But you DID do it, wether it was intentional or not.

Bu-huuuu!!

Try to get over as an adult. He already explained it to you more than once.
Now back to topic please.

	DoubleDownAgain
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Posted:

Quoting Kulju:

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Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
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But you DID do it, wether it was intentional or not.

Bu-huuuu!! Try to get over as an adult. He already explained it to you more than once.
Now back to topic please.

Really? What was the topic?

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