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Help please with Audio Commentary as an audio track |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think The Simpsons used to have at least one commentary per episode, or more, that's like 26 per season... Obviously the general rule was never considered to apply to tv series, the result would be ludicrous. And this has never been a problem as long as I've been using Profiler, until now. Just because there are loopholes in the rules (maybe more than most people realize) we don't have to exploit every one of them. Because there will always be situations where the general rules can't be applied without causing some undesired effects. Maybe it would be cleaner to treat tv series parents like movie box set parents, and not list any audio tracks at all. But that would mean that the child profiles would no longer be optional. Personally I think it's better to tread carefully and only contribute audio tracks that are common to all discs in the set in the parent profile. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
I think The Simpsons used to have at least one commentary per episode, or more, that's like 26 per season... Obviously the general rule was never considered to apply to tv series, the result would be ludicrous. And this has never been a problem as long as I've been using Profiler, until now. Just because there are loopholes in the rules (maybe more than most people realize) we don't have to exploit every one of them. Because there will always be situations where the general rules can't be applied without causing some undesired effects. Maybe it would be cleaner to treat tv series parents like movie box set parents, and not list any audio tracks at all. But that would mean that the child profiles would no longer be optional. Personally I think it's better to tread carefully and only contribute audio tracks that are common to all discs in the set in the parent profile. I agree. I have never seen Audio Commentaries slip through that loophole and, hopefully, never will. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I seldomly mess with the parent profiles myself as I prefer them to be more or less like parent profiles for box sets. I just answer the questions per how the rules tells us.
The general rules tells us to follow them for all profiles... with two exceptions... box sets and TV Series. And then the rules tells us anything not covered in the box set and TV Series rules to apply the standard rules.
So I can not say what is being done is against the rules... strictly speaking it isn't. So I can't advise otherwise and can't vote no to such a submission.
What really would need to be done is to go to the rules committee forum and work out what should be done in these cases... draft a rule for the TV Series and submit it to Ken for approval and addition. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
 I am sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. List it once and be done with it...thanks to iPatsa for the image. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 553 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I am sorry to say but I just don't see the sense in that way of doing it.
If a set has 9 commentary tracks like that example....
I can see some sense in adding the commentary track once to note there is commentary (even if I don't completely agree with it),
I can see the sense in adding it for all the commentaries when there is room to do so.
But I just don't see the sense in adding it twice just because most the discs has 2 commentaries.
Sorry but I just don't get that... or am I misunderstanding something? I think it's all about how you look at it. In this case, most episodes would have 2 commentary tracks. If, for example, it went: Episode 1: English, French, Spanish, Commentary 1, Commentary 2 Episode 2: English, French, Spanish, Commentary 1, Commentary 2 Episode 3: English, French, Spanish, Commentary 1, Commentary 2 Episode 4: English, French, Spanish, Commentary Episode 5: English, French, Spanish, Commentary 1, Commentary 2 Episode 6: English, French, Spanish, Commentary 1, Commentary 2 Episode 7: English, French, Spanish, Commentary 1, Commentary 2 Episode 8: English, French, Spanish, Commentary Episode 9: English, French, Spanish, Commentary 1, Commentary 2 Episode 10: English, French, Spanish, Commentary 1, Commentary 2 Personally, I think it makes more sense to round up and say that you can usually expect 2 commentaries on each episode than to pretend 8 out of 10 episodes don't have a 2nd commentary. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | When I look at that list I see 18 commentaries... not 2. When I look at disc's audio and see 1 or 2 or whatever number that is how many commentaries I expect to see on said disc. So seeing 2 there when in reality there could be many more just don't seem to make sense to me.
Like you said... it is in the way you look at it... and to be truthful the rules don't give guidance on what is the correct way of doing it other then saying to "List each Commentary track as a separate entry." It says no where it has to be for the same episode or film for double feature discs and such.
So a clarification... and possibly an addition to the rules is definitely needed in my honest opinion. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 553 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
When I look at that list I see 18 commentaries... not 2. When I look at disc's audio and see 1 or 2 or whatever number that is how many commentaries I expect to see on said disc. So seeing 2 there when in reality there could be many more just don't seem to make sense to me.
Like you said... it is in the way you look at it... and to be truthful the rules don't give guidance on what is the correct way of doing it other then saying to "List each Commentary track as a separate entry." It says no where it has to be for the same episode or film for double feature discs and such.
So a clarification... and possibly an addition to the rules is definitely needed in my honest opinion. Yeah, I think we definitely look at it a bit differently. Since I don't really use TV child profiles, I think of TV shows in DVDProfiler essentially as a single multi-part movie. Using that same example from above, while there technically may be 10 English audio tracks, 10 French, and 10 Spanish, we just enter each once and assume it applies across all episodes. That's the same approach I take with the commentaries. If each episode has 1 commentary, then I'll add it once. If most have 2, then I'll add a second. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | In that way of looking at it... it would also make sense if you have a disc with 8 episodes and only 1 or 2 episodes has a single commentary track you wouldn't mark it at all since the most of them has no commentary? Just don't make sense to me.... sorry. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Which btw is a lot closer to what we actually get most the time then every episode having a commentary track. A huge majority of releases only has a few commentaries for the entire set. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 553 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
In that way of looking at it... it would also make sense if you have a disc with 8 episodes and only 1 or 2 episodes has a single commentary track you wouldn't mark it at all since the most of them has no commentary? Just don't make sense to me.... sorry. While I used a "majority rules" type situation in my previous posts, I do personally believe even a commentary on a single episode of the season warrants an addition to the audio tracks to signify that it's the maximum number of audio tracks available. With the "single multi-part movie" approach, I guess it constitutes a lot of dead space on the commentary.  I think I may have misunderstood what exactly about it didn't make sense to you, and ended up getting away from the point. So just to clarify, my general approach is really just to take the episode with the most number of audio tracks and document what's on that. I don't know if it's the best way to do it, but I guess the goal would be to be the most inclusive. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | To me it seems the only way to solve this issue once and for all is to introduce a new level of profiles into DVD Profiler: the level of individual episodes. Then you could accurately enter any number and/or type of commentary track for any particular episode. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
To me it seems the only way to solve this issue once and for all is to introduce a new level of profiles into DVD Profiler: the level of individual episodes. Then you could accurately enter any number and/or type of commentary track for any particular episode. That would still not solve how to treat parent profiles, as long as child profiles remain optional. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unless the parent profiles would become true box set profiles, the same way we treat movie box sets. Indeed that would require child profiles to become mandatory. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 553 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
Quoting dee1959jay:
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To me it seems the only way to solve this issue once and for all is to introduce a new level of profiles into DVD Profiler: the level of individual episodes. Then you could accurately enter any number and/or type of commentary track for any particular episode.
That would still not solve how to treat parent profiles, as long as child profiles remain optional. Perhaps I'm thinking of dee1959jay's suggestion in another way, but ideally (IMHO) we should be able to track individual episodes within one profile. This would also help when multiple films are on the same disc with different video/audio/subtitle specifications. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting iPatsa:
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I am sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. List it once and be done with it...thanks to iPatsa for the image. Guess what, these contributions were just approved and released. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | possibly because of 2 reasons...
1. strictly as rules are written it s not against the rules.
2. standard Invelos policy is to approve profiles that is mostly correct. | | | | Pete |
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