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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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As can easily be seen from this thread... not everyone agrees with that line of thought.

But it is video material. It's documenting the actual film making process with people associated with the film. So in can not be "video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it."???? I just don't get it.
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Personally, I feel featurettes are short or long subject "making of" documentaries.

This isn't a matter of personal preferense. Per rules any video material that documents the film making process is a featurette. They don't have to be documentary films, short or long.
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At the same time no matter how much people say it I (and obviously others) don't see how it could be considered documentary material.

So of course... just like with many other issues... there won't be consistency in the database without clarification of Invelos.
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all that can be done is vote and contribute per your understanding of the rules.
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At the same time no matter how much people say it I (and obviously others) don't see how it could be considered documentary material.

How is it not!!?? It's video material documenting the film making process. Rules doesn't require the clip for being a documentary film, they say documentary material. It's not fictional material.
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So of course... just like with many other issues... there won't be consistency in the database without clarification of Invelos.

Just for fun, let's assume that these screen tests are for porn film and they contain 4min clip of penetration. Is that a porn film? No. Is that pornographic video material? Yes, I think so...

If we would have a 4min clip of screen writers working and trying to deside what to put on final screenplay, would that be a featurette, in your opinion? All you can say that it's not documentary material, but no one can say why do they think so.
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So of course... just like with many other issues... there won't be consistency in the database without clarification of Invelos.

IMHO, this is one of the rules that are very clear.
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Yes... you said that right... YOUR opinion. Don't mean I agree (and from the looks of things others disagree as well... so not like it is only me)... and I refuse to go over it yet again. If Invelos wants to tell me I am wrong about it... great... while I won't agree, I will do as they instruct. BUT no other USER is going to tell me that I am reading it wrong... I will continue to do it as I always did (and has always been accepted) until such time Invelos tells me different.
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Yes... you said that right... YOUR opinion.

Yes, and my opinion is based on something that I've explained several times. You on the other hand are starting to remind me of someone who hasn't visited these forums for a while, but he's speciality was dodging straight questions. I'm only trying to understand your point of view. Again, in your opinion, why screen tests aren't "video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it."? Which part of that description doesn't work for you? Please help me understand.
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I have said it multiple times in  multiple threads... which I am getting tired of going over the same thing in several threads... so this is the last time. I don't see how something can be video documentary material if there is no documentary part to it. I understand you and others don't see it the same way...  but that is how I have always read it... and don't agree with your side's explanation that any piece of video that concerns the film or those that are involved in it is documentary material. Just a screen test by itself is just that not documentary material.

You all don't agree with us... and never will.
we don't agree with your side... and (speaking for myself) never will.

So unless invelos steps in one way or the other... it will be submitted both ways... both sides feeling they are correct per rules... and both ways getting accepted into the online.
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This isn't a matter of personal preferense. Per rules any video material that documents the film making process is a featurette. They don't have to be documentary films, short or long.

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How is it not!!?? It's video material documenting the film making process. Rules doesn't require the clip for being a documentary film, they say documentary material. It's not fictional material.


Each person seems to have a different understanding of what "documentary material" entails. You seem to interpret it as any video material that documents the filmmaking process. I think it refers to any video material that is a documentary about the filmmaking process.

By your definition, trailers, interviews, bloopers, deleted scenes would all be considered featurettes were there not already other designations for these extras in the program.

Like trailers, interviews, bloopers, deleted scenes, introductions, etc., I consider standalone screen tests/auditions as their own type of feature. They're not produced to document some behind the scenes process. They were produced to audition prospective actors or test makeup, costumes, sets, effects, etc.

I think we all have a valid interpretation of the poorly worded rules. But if we step into the real world a bit, a featurette is something more specific.

Quoting Miriam-Webster Dictionary:
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fea·tur·ette noun  a short film; especially :  a short documentary film about the making of a full-length movie

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After the advent of DVD, the term - at least in America - also gained the meaning of "a brief documentary film covering one or more aspects of the film creation process". Featurettes are usually in DVD features descriptions to refer to video-format "Behind The Scenes" type bonus features such as documentaries on special effects or set design or cast and crew interviews. This usage possibly derived partly or completely independent from the term's original meaning, as should be apparent from the fact that most Blu-ray "featurettes" are actually less (sometimes far less) than 20 minutes in length.
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I have to say that I agree with Rizor on all points.
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Thank You Rizor... you were able to put my thoughts on the matter into words much better then I was ever able to. 
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Each person seems to have a different understanding of what "documentary material" entails. You seem to interpret it as any video material that documents the filmmaking process. I think it refers to any video material that is a documentary about the filmmaking process.


Then the rule should have been worded "video documentary regarding the film, or those associated with it.", which it is not.

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By your definition, trailers, interviews, bloopers, deleted scenes would all be considered featurettes were there not already other designations for these extras in the program.


Interviews and bloopers, yes. Trailers and deleted scenes, no.

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I consider standalone screen tests/auditions as their own type of feature. They're not produced to document some behind the scenes process. They were produced to audition prospective actors or test makeup, costumes, sets, effects, etc.

So if the film makers document the film making process for their own benefit for the process it's not document material?

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But if we step into the real world a bit, a featurette is something more specific.

And this was the one I was waiting... We are not in the real world, we're in DVDP land.
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fea·tur·ette noun  a short film; especially :  a short documentary film about the making of a full-length movie

In DVDP land we don't go by real world definitions. We must go by DVDP rules.
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If it was so easy like you say Kulju, why do people make so many 'common' mistakes in their contributions.
DVDP contributions are not 100% clear or compleet.
Rather ask a question on this forum than contributing wrong info is my opnion.
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The rules ask us to provide rather limited information. It's not what I would prefer but it does look like it belongs under Featurettes only. Unfortunately extras is one area where the program is really lacking room for details and the rules are making it even less helpful because we can't even specify it under Other Features. Of course, if we had more details, there would be even more rules, and even more arguments about what they really mean, and so on, and on, and on...

That said I'm sure I've contributed Screen Tests under Other Features and got away with it in the past, becauase frankly it just seems like the most natural thinig to do. 
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Interviews and bloopers, yes. Trailers and deleted scenes, no.

So if the film makers document the film making process for their own benefit for the process it's not document material?


Just to get a clearer understanding of your view, what about trailers and deleted scenes set them apart from the others?
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