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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
The only problem with that link is the source. There is no problem with that link, since applying what we find therein wouldn't cause us to contribute data from a third party database. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
IMDb is not only not allowed per invelos' rules. I am sorry, but this simply isn't true. While we are not allowed to "mass copy from a third party commercial database," we are allowed to use them as a source. I have, on many occasions, used IMDb as a source for contribution data. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
...but posts in these forums have consistently lambasted that site for it's inaccuracy. This is a fact. We have here a dozen of people, among the most vocal of those forums, who hate IMDb, and consider this site as inaccurate since it avoids to recopy errors, as we are requested to do by Invelos rules. Recopy of error is the main religion in Invelos data, and everything corrected to match reality is considered here as inaccurate... We have reached the summum of inanity.  | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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IMDb is not only not allowed per invelos' rules.
I am sorry, but this simply isn't true. While we are not allowed to "mass copy from a third party commercial database," we are allowed to use them as a source. I have, on many occasions, used IMDb as a source for contribution data. I like IMDb and use it often. But, reading over my post it was not clear. It should have read "the use of only IMDb is not allowed per invelos rules." Since this thread only lists a single third party source, removal of that data based on that source would indeed violate invelos' rules. |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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The only problem with that link is the source.
There is no problem with that link, since applying what we find therein wouldn't cause us to contribute data from a third party database.
--------------- What? Your link takes me directly to IMDb. That sure seems like a third party source to me. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
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The only problem with that link is the source.
There is no problem with that link, since applying what we find therein wouldn't cause us to contribute data from a third party database.
What? Your link takes me directly to IMDb. That sure seems like a third party source to me. Did you miss everything after the comma? I will repeat: "since applying what we find therein wouldn't cause us to contribute data from a third party database". If we used that source as a basis for removing a tag line, what information on that IMDB page would be in the contribution? --------------- |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I did read your entire statement. You are taking information supplied by IMDb and using it as a reference source. That, in my opinion, is utilizing a third party. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I did read your entire statement. You are taking information supplied by IMDb and using it as a reference source. That, in my opinion, is utilizing a third party. And we're not disallowed from using third parties as sources of information. --------------- |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Which brings me right back to my original point - other sources should be provided in order to contribute that data change. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Which brings me right back to my original point - other sources should be provided in order to contribute that data change. This contribution note would be sufficient per rules: "Removing tagline from overview." One might include one or more sources to back up that assertion but the rules do not require it. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with scott on this one. The rules mention third party databases twice. First in the Introduction: Quote:
Please don't submit content from a third party database And again in the credits section: Quote:
If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. However, mass copy from a third party commercial database which violates their stated usage license is not allowed. This removal would do neither of those things. Should other sources be provided? Sure, it would be nice. Is it required by the rules? Not that I can see. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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Which brings me right back to my original point - other sources should be provided in order to contribute that data change.
This contribution note would be sufficient per rules:
"Removing tagline from overview."
One might include one or more sources to back up that assertion but the rules do not require it.
--------------- Oh, I see what you mean - I thought you were including the link in the contribution notes. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,633 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
No one ever said it was a definitive source. At least not me. But it does show that the sentence in question was one of the taglines used in the movie... to help me decide what on the back cover was or was not part of the overview.
From there it is all a matter of opinion. No one? It sure seems like bbbbb stated it was a definitive source. Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
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It wouldn't be left out if it was in the middle
I would, now that we have the definitive source for Text vs. Taglines. The Rules leave no room for interpretation: Never include Taglines in overviews. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Look. The rules suck. They're not clear enough to avoid differing interpretations - therefore next to useless.
Users will never agree. It's that simple. Everyone just needs to do what THEY think is correct according to the rules and ignore everyone else who says differently based on THEIR interpretation of the unclear rules. |
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 | kd5 | | SciFi/Fantasy/Horror Geek |
| Registered: May 24, 2010 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not going to argue semantics/rules here, just wanted to say that to me, it looks like part of the paragraph (may be a tagline, may not, but to me, part of the paragraph anyway). I would include it in my database Overview, bold it, but no space between it and the rest of the text (just as it appears on the back of the case), and lock it that way if I had to. | | | | Time is the fire in which we burn. (Soran) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
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No one ever said it was a definitive source. At least not me. But it does show that the sentence in question was one of the taglines used in the movie... to help me decide what on the back cover was or was not part of the overview.
From there it is all a matter of opinion.
No one? It sure seems like bbbbb stated it was a definitive source.
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It wouldn't be left out if it was in the middle
I would, now that we have the definitive source for Text vs. Taglines. The Rules leave no room for interpretation: Never include Taglines in overviews. That is who I was talking to (bbbbb) when I said no one said it was a definitive source. | | | | Pete |
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