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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDoubleDownAgain
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filmratings.com will tell you if a film has been submitted and what it got. If no entry for a title there, it's Not Rated. Unrated sounds the same, but means slightly different:

From the rules and forums, I thought that if a film was any alternate version of something that was rated at any point, it should be tagged "unrated".

If a film has never been submitted for rating in any form, it should be "Not Rated". Did the rules change on me again?



Are you sure they track absolutely every submission and cut? Many movies/cuts are actually rated several times before they release it.  The Avengers for example originally received a R rating.  So there are cuts of the Avengers that the MPAA had rated R but never been released.

Even if that was true, that would only be applicable to the US locality.  Canada actually doesn't have a national board, they are actually reviewed by each Province, but use the same rating system (except for Quebec)  Pain & Gain for example received a 14-A here in BC but a 18A in Ontario.  But the Blu-ray has it listed as 18A.  I also recall seeing Canadian versions listed as being 'Unrated' but in fact having a rating on the package for the alternate cut.

I agree with you about the difference between Not Rated & Unrated.  I was just saying that assumptions are being made, take the original example of Big.  The details on the Theatrical cut are in the bottom middle, but the logo for the PG rating is away from those details.  If the Filmratings.com database is complete and contains every single rating for every single cut of the movie than I'd agree that if the cut isn't listed than it'd be unrated.  But I'm not sure if that is the case.  By the packaging alone you can't tell, it might be pretty safe to assume that the PG applies to the Theatrical only but it still may be an assumption.  I know the various ratings board in Canada are hit and miss.
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Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
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Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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filmratings.com will tell you if a film has been submitted and what it got. If no entry for a title there, it's Not Rated. Unrated sounds the same, but means slightly different:

From the rules and forums, I thought that if a film was any alternate version of something that was rated at any point, it should be tagged "unrated".

If a film has never been submitted for rating in any form, it should be "Not Rated". Did the rules change on me again?



Are you sure they track absolutely every submission and cut? Many movies/cuts are actually rated several times before they release it.  The Avengers for example originally received a R rating.  So there are cuts of the Avengers that the MPAA had rated R but never been released.

Even if that was true, that would only be applicable to the US locality.  Canada actually doesn't have a national board, they are actually reviewed by each Province, but use the same rating system (except for Quebec)  Pain & Gain for example received a 14-A here in BC but a 18A in Ontario.  But the Blu-ray has it listed as 18A.  I also recall seeing Canadian versions listed as being 'Unrated' but in fact having a rating on the package for the alternate cut.

I agree with you about the difference between Not Rated & Unrated.  I was just saying that assumptions are being made, take the original example of Big.  The details on the Theatrical cut are in the bottom middle, but the logo for the PG rating is away from those details.  If the Filmratings.com database is complete and contains every single rating for every single cut of the movie than I'd agree that if the cut isn't listed than it'd be unrated.  But I'm not sure if that is the case.  By the packaging alone you can't tell, it might be pretty safe to assume that the PG applies to the Theatrical only but it still may be an assumption.  I know the various ratings board in Canada are hit and miss.


Filmratings.com is the official MPAA side for filmratings, just as http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ is for the UK. If the extended cut of a movie was never submitted then it should be regarded as not-rated.
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Thanks, I assume it's complete but haven't used the site much.  But that wasn't my point, I understand the difference between Not Rated and Unrated.  I was specifically talking about alternate cuts automatically being labeled as unrated.  If that is the assumption the rules want us to make that is fine, but it is still that, just an assumption as the alternate cut may have the same rating, this is probably more applicable in non-US localities.
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If I am not mistaken... Unrated was only added to Region 1 USA profiles. None of the others have Unrated as far as I know... unless I missed it when Ken added them later. But at the time he made a point out of setting it only to the US locality.
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I haven't responded because I emailed the MPAA and was waiting for a reply.  I got that reply today...
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If it is not on the website – either we haven’t rated it OR it may have had a title change that we have not been made aware of.

That confirms, at least for me, what I already knew...but I have a feeling this, too, will have multiple interpretations.
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Thanks for going the extra mile for this TheMadMartian.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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If I am not mistaken... Unrated was only added to Region 1 USA profiles. None of the others have Unrated as far as I know... unless I missed it when Ken added them later. But at the time he made a point out of setting it only to the US locality.


I think you are right, looking at my iPhone there doesn't seem to be a filter for Unrated in Canada.  Come to think of it I can't recall a Canadian DVD/Blu-ray that didn't have a rating.

So I've changed my mind, I would agree, per the rules Big should be rated Unrated.  I think even having the 'Unrated' rating is silly as it is really no more than a marketing slogan.  And in truth most of profiles affected are like Big, if they were re-rated I bet the vast majority would receive the same rating.

I do think I'll take a look at mine and 'correct' them and keep them locked down locally.
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The rating change to Unrated for Big was approved today. Thanks again TheMadMartian for going the extra mile and contacting the MPAA about this situation. 
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Well, I got a second email this morning, from a different person...
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Thank you for your inquiry.

All films rated by us are listed on our website, www.filmratings.com.  Once a film is rated, it will take a few days for certain clerical things to be done prior to the film appearing on the site, but normally once a film is rated it will be listed as so on the website within a week of the rating.  If you have a question about a very recent film, you are welcome to give us a call to determine if that film has just been rated.

Thank you

Dany
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