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Do you think we should just have one profile per movie as a starting point? |
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| Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 694 |
| | Posted: | | | | a movie has always the same closing credits. but watch in the different profiles for the same movie. with good luck you can find ten different profiles. that is the reason why a master profile needed for credits, YoP, CoO ... and so on. only the studios, disc id, srp, the overview and other things are different in different countries. but i think it is a wish, not more.  | | | 
the real BirthYear OverView |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
I don't get this sentiment, it makes absolutely no sense. I understand that DVD Profiler is first and foremost about tracking what is on the Disc. Last time i checked the movie is on the disc. I don't get why tracking and collecting pertinent information about the film on the disc is a bad thing. This may be because you and I have differing opinions as to what constitutes pertinent information. When Profiler first started, we tracked all the information from the disc, full cast and minimal crew...and by minimal, I mean 4 or 5 main crew. For me, that was enough because all I wanted to track was what was unique to the actual release I owned. Was it a special extended edition with extra cast? Was it the director's cut? Did it come with a special collectible or in special packaging? I have, and will continue to double and triple dip based on those and many other disc specific items. I purchased Profiler because it was the best collection software on the market. The things that most of people seem to complain about...massive amounts of crew, bad crosslinking, birth years, the CLT...all are a result of Ken trying to cater to those who wanted to turn a perfectly good piece of collection software into a movie database. I'm not asking you to agree, but Cubby asked for opinions, and this is mine. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | When I started with Profiler there was the cast list and only the director for crew... I so hated every time the crew list grew. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: June 26, 2013 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
When I started with Profiler there was the cast list and only the director for crew... I so hated every time the crew list grew.  is this the right way? | | |
the real BirthYear OverView |
| | Registered: May 9, 2008 | | Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting emmeli: Quote:
a movie has always the same closing credits. This has actually been proving incorrect here a number of times. I think the most used example: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=388541 - The 'Con Air' DVD's have a credit for "David Chappelle", while the Blu-ray versions have "Dave Chappelle". - Disney/Pixar's 'Cars', in which the "Harv" character is voiced by and credited to Jeremy Piven in the U.S. versions, while it's voiced by and credited to Jeremy Clarkson in the U.K. versions of these discs. |
| | Registered: May 9, 2008 | | Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JMGuer: Quote:
Does anyone buy a DVD of Casablanca because the UPC is 0000000110012 or because it is 0000000110013? The UPC itself? No. However, with different UPCs comes: Quote:
Does anyone buy Chinatown because it is in a black keepcase...or because it is in a blue keepcase...or because it is a snapper? Yes and also because the different UPC comes in a box/slip case. Also many times the boxed version comes with extras. Quote:
Does anyone buy The Wizard of Oz because it has Thai subtitles....or because it has Mongolian subtitles? Thai? No English? Yes Quote:
Profiling the disc is profiling the movie....profiling the disc is not just checking off case type, or how much you paid for it (1.99, 3.99, 5.99), or checking off subtitles boxes to languages most users don't undestand and whose function they will never ever use..... The Case? Yes it is. Subtitles? Yes It is also profiling what comes with the specific UPC's release: Bonus Disc, Bonus Movies, OVAs, and many other extras. |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 |  Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | ^ I don't doubt that this information (case type, and so on) is important to you and others....nor do I have any problem with that. The point I was making: Quoting JMGuer: Quote:
I would venture that most DVD fans/collectors buy the discs because of the movie that is on the disc and nothing else.
All other considerations (case type, "foreign" subtitles....) are secondary at best. The Primary reason (for purchase) being the movie (TV show, concert....) Or so it seems to me....... ....wouldn't be surprised if someone came along to claim they buy movies they hate but buy just to get a cool orange (or purple) keepcase..... |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JMGuer: Quote:
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I don't doubt that this information (case type, and so on) is important to you and others....nor do I have any problem with that.
The point I was making:
Quoting JMGuer:
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I would venture that most DVD fans/collectors buy the discs because of the movie that is on the disc and nothing else.
All other considerations (case type, "foreign" subtitles....) are secondary at best. The Primary reason (for purchase) being the movie (TV show, concert....)
Or so it seems to me.......
....wouldn't be surprised if someone came along to claim they buy movies they hate but buy just to get a cool orange (or purple) keepcase..... The tagline for DVDProfiler (found on the home page) "Automated Colelction Tracking for the DVD and Blu-ray enthusiast" Mind you it does not state movie enthusiast, though this is an side extension of that. The amount of information we track about the movie itself, is quite small, compared to the information we track about the Media release. Cast and Crew as a whole, theatrical release, production and theatrical release studios is about it. We don't track original AR, we don't track filming locations, we don't track all the world release dates. With that being said. I would not mind a central movie repository for the movie data itself. It would allow us to concentrate on the media and collectors aspect of the software. the one condition would be to allow changes to cast and/or crew, if the media release happens to change the listing. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JMGuer: Quote:
Or so it seems to me.......
....wouldn't be surprised if someone came along to claim they buy movies they hate but buy just to get a cool orange (or purple) keepcase..... I don't know about buying movies that they hate, but I have purchased releases that I will never watch simply because of the packaging or an item packaged with it. That is why I purchased collection software. If all I cared about was the film, there are better alternatives that I can use for free. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 | | Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting JMGuer:
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Or so it seems to me.......
....wouldn't be surprised if someone came along to claim they buy movies they hate but buy just to get a cool orange (or purple) keepcase.....
I don't know about buying movies that they hate, but I have purchased releases that I will never watch simply because of the packaging or an item packaged with it.
That is why I purchased collection software. If all I cared about was the film, there are better alternatives that I can use for free. I fully understand that. I'm not suggesting Invelos change their software so you won't be able to do whatever it is you do now. To you packaging is important. To me it is not. Different strokes for different folks. We both use DVDP to catalog our DVD collections, although very differently. |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 | | Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Quoting JMGuer:
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I don't doubt that this information (case type, and so on) is important to you and others....nor do I have any problem with that.
The point I was making:
Quoting JMGuer:
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I would venture that most DVD fans/collectors buy the discs because of the movie that is on the disc and nothing else.
All other considerations (case type, "foreign" subtitles....) are secondary at best. The Primary reason (for purchase) being the movie (TV show, concert....)
Or so it seems to me.......
....wouldn't be surprised if someone came along to claim they buy movies they hate but buy just to get a cool orange (or purple) keepcase.....
The tagline for DVDProfiler (found on the home page) "Automated Colelction Tracking for the DVD and Blu-ray enthusiast"
Mind you it does not state movie enthusiast, though this is an side extension of that. The amount of information we track about the movie itself, is quite small, compared to the information we track about the Media release.
Cast and Crew as a whole, theatrical release, production and theatrical release studios is about it. We don't track original AR, we don't track filming locations, we don't track all the world release dates.
With that being said. I would not mind a central movie repository for the movie data itself. It would allow us to concentrate on the media and collectors aspect of the software. the one condition would be to allow changes to cast and/or crew, if the media release happens to change the listing. "The tagline for DVDProfiler (found on the home page) "Automated Colelction Tracking for the DVD and Blu-ray enthusiast"Mind you it does not state movie enthusiast"Maybe not directly...but one could be forgiven for thinking DVD/Blu-ray enthusiast=movie enthusiant. I suppose one could buy nothing but boxing or football (soccer) DVDs, and therefore not be a movie but a sports enthusiast... "The amount of information we track about the movie itself, is quite small, compared to the information we track about the Media release."Again, one could be forgiven for thinking otherwise... also found on the main page is the featured layout:  ...images of movies to the left...overview of the movie on display (1408)...cast...crew....photo of actor in the movie....widescreen movie denoted, genre of movie...running time of movie....year movie released....country of origin of movie...movie studio....movie rating.....and (almost incidentally) case type, price paid, srp For the record, I have no problem with how any DVDP member decides to track/catalog his DVD (movie/TV show) collection. What you collect, how you collect it, and how you catalog same is your concern. | | | | Last edited: by JMGuer |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I collect movies - the rest of the "stuff" is secondary. If the movie isn't part of the package, I wouldn't buy it.
I wish that the contribution process were...
...but, as far as invelos is concerned, I'm no longer an optimist but a realist.
The reality is that improvements and changes have been requested/needed for years and invelos seldom, if ever, does anything about it. |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 | | Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If all I cared about was the film, there are better alternatives that I can use for free. What alternatives would those be? Can you post names/links (or PM me same). I am very interested in finding out more, especially if they allow me to do what DVDP now does.... Catalog my movies Enter full cast Enter essential crew (or full crew if I so choose) Allow me to denote : year of films release, Country of origin, production companies, genre, production studios/companies, running times, aspect ratio, color/ b/w, audio track Allow me to enter extra large, clickable (with layout I use) film posters Allow me to enter Film overview Allow me to enter pertinent notes about the film Allow me to enter cast / crew photos Very interested indeed (not being sarcastic) in finding out what those better free alternatives are. |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think what people use DVDP for is totally irrelevant with regard to the OP's question. What matters is how to facilitate the best possible quality of data in the database. And from that viewpoint to me it is obvious we should have one profile per movie as a starting point (of course allowing for credit variations). If our usual clan of vocal US users would have even the faintest idea of the deplorable condition of profiles in many less popular localities, they would know that introduction of such a system would instantly improve the quality of data in the database dramatically, especially in all those smaller localities. If data consistency matters, then having a system relying on - in the majority of localities - a small number of users for whom English is not their native tongue to nevertheless enter (in 95% of cases) the exact same (particularly cast and crew) data as a large user group of native speakers is siimply insane, in terms of design of a data entry system. |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | First off I actually paid for DVD Profiler. Some of you claiming you paid for a DVD collecting program didn't pay for this program you were grandfathered in. First Mistake by Ken. If you are so set on just tracking the bells and whistles of your DVD collection, why do you care about the cast and crew database. You really should have no cast and crew in your personal databases. Nor should you have YoP, CoO, original title or anything pertaining to the actual film. That's if you are a pure collector of just DVD/BD. As soon as someone states in a thread on how bad the CLT and data is and what changes they would like, it's always the same old song. 2nd Mistake Ken did was to have the so-called DVD/BD collectors in charge of the rules pertaining to cast and crew, they show that the didn't want any addition to the crew table, and it shows with how the rules read. And this may be the #1 DVD/BD collecting program (covers/variations of releases/UPC), but the database is a 3rd rate database as it stands now pertaining to CoO, Original titles, YoP, Studios, Cast and Crew names and variants. But hey, you collectors keep standing in the way, throw your arms up and wave new members into submission, because that seems to be what you do best.  | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
First Mistake by Ken.
...2nd Mistake Ken did was to... I wish I could have made it this far with only two mistakes. --------------- |
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