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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting emmeli: Quote:
Café != Coffee != Kaffee. <- it's the same drink, but is spelled differently. I'd prefer tea  | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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As long as there are different characters in the character set, they can't be named exactly the same, sorry.
That is why I gave the example of A, A and A. They are also typographic variants that are not exactly the same, but you do not create fake variants. Character sets and their typographical representation are a little bit differing things. In German we have a word Nicht alles was hinkt ist ein Vergleich - meaning, not every flawed comparison is a comparison at all... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting emmeli: Quote:
Café != Coffee != Kaffee. But not in the same language. So some people may understand, and some may not. Éric Lartigau =Eric Lartigau in the language used by this director. There is no différence between É and E in this case. Everyone speaking this language knows that the accent is present in the E. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Character sets and their typographical representation are a little bit differing things. Totally agree with you. In present case we have only one character (é) with two correct typographical representations for uppercase : E and É | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not based on the currently used character set Windows 1252 (Western) - here we have two different characters:
E has the code 0x45
É has the code 0xc9 | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Not based on the currently used character set Windows 1252 (Western) - here we have two different characters:
E has the code 0x45
É has the code 0xc9 In fact E may be different from É. It just depends on the spelling of different words or names. If you take the word EVENEMENT (event), the correct spelling in small case is évènement, with three different meanings of E. In the case of this topic, we have Éric= Eric. That is not Windows 1252 (Western) spelling, that is just French spelling... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | But as you know... for the purpose of contributing to the profiler database... Ken's decision on the matter is E=e and É=é. This is something you have been fighting against for years and something Ken has not as of yet changed his mind on. And this forum is for helping people to contribute to the online database so please don't confuse the subject for people. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But as you know... for the purpose of contributing to the profiler database... Ken's decision on the matter is E=e and É=é. This is something you have been fighting against for years and something Ken has not as of yet changed his mind on. And this forum is for helping people to contribute to the online database so please don't confuse the subject for people. As long as the producers differentiate between theese (and many other) characters, there is no reason for Ken to change his mind... I see Surfeurs point, but in an international environment we can't follow national preferences. The problem would escalate if Swiss guys insist that there are no Ä, Ö and Ü - They don't have them, but the majority of the German speaking countries use them... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Ken's decision on the matter is E=e and É=é. Please don't jump on me, as usual, without reading what I wrote. We are not speaking of this problem, since we do not transform uppercase in small case for the first letter of the name. What I speak of is E=É (and both are correct). Ken could add a rule that in case of accented first letter, we always use accented (or non accented,... his choice) form. This would avoid many fake variants and CLT problems. Note that Ken already did something similar with a filter for ,Jr. (,Jr) | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
... but in an international environment we can't follow national preferences. Do you mean we should use all titles in English, and all overviews in English ? If we respect languages for movies, why not for actor's names ? In fact, we are not really in an international environnement. 95% of my DVD/blu-ray are Zone 2/B -France, and I bet that most of users have mainly titles bought in their own country. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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... but in an international environment we can't follow national preferences.
Do you mean we should use all titles in English, and all overviews in English ?
If we respect languages for movies, why not for actor's names ?
In fact, we are not really in an international environnement. 95% of my DVD/blu-ray are Zone 2/B -France, and I bet that most of users have mainly titles bought in their own country. It doesn't really matter what region code your media has, the fact is that actors appear in films worldwide. Therefore they get credited worldwide and - last not least - the producers use different languages... Then, after the film is produced and the end credits are written, it gets translated to all the versions out there and if necessary copied on medias with different region coding. But most of the time all credits in all languages on any media are the same... international. Even worse are European productions which are sometimes produced in more than one language... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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Ken's decision on the matter is E=e and É=é.
What I speak of is E=É (and both are correct). Ken could add a rule that in case of accented first letter, we always use accented (or non accented,... his choice) form. This would avoid many fake variants and CLT problems. Note that Ken already did something similar with a filter for ,Jr. (,Jr) Definitly NO!! - Did you read my example? As long as we don't have a far more complex person database (using IDs and name variants) the CLT/Common name system works well. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
...the CLT/Common name system works well. There, you made my day !!!  Thousands of useless fake variants, quite no answer after several years for most of common names threads... Yes, it works well... The only way to get a correct database (that can be filtered, sorted and linked with correct results) is to re-enter all credits with intelligent data, but very few users have the time to do that. Online is a huge mess totally unusable  The worst is that this common name system is also polluting headshots shared databases with some users wanting to use Invelos fake names in place of real names, making many headshots wrong or useless (though rules should not be requested for non contributed data). | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits.
In this case I would go with:
Eric Lartigau [Éric Lartigau] I agree. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
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The only way to get a correct database (that can be filtered, sorted and linked with correct results) is to re-enter all credits with intelligent data, but very few users have the time to do that. Online is a huge mess totally unusable
The worst is that this common name system is also polluting headshots shared databases with some users wanting to use Invelos fake names in place of real names, making many headshots wrong or useless (though rules should not be requested for non contributed data). The problem are only people who believe they don't need to follow the system. People like you, sabotaging the system, bring up the most problems... Same for the headshot database: what else but the name used in the invelos database should be used? As long as you'll try to fight a war between the Invelos common name and the the name you - and only you - call the real name the current common name system has it's problems! But I refuse to baden the system, with you in your self pleasing position as ruler over the names, until someone brings up a really better system (as mentioned: person database with IDs and name variants). | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
People like you, sabotaging the system... Thank you. By the way, please explain how can I sabotage anything since I have not contributed profiles for years. I refuse to send wrong informations (= correct per the rules) that will be downloaded by people who do not have time to verify them. | | | | Images from movies |
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