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| Registered: May 8, 2007 |  Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
So my vote is yes, include them. Says the guy with the Paul Walker avatar.   | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I really hate is the ping ponging. One person adds cast members and then a few months or so goes by and another person comes along and removes all the stunt people or whatever. Then someone else will add them back in. And back and forth we go.
Like I said above, Ken really needs to clarify this in the rules instead of leaving it up to the community because we rarely agree on anything. If he decides one way or another we all have to live and abide by his rules regardless of what we think. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
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So my vote is yes, include them.
Says the guy with the Paul Walker avatar. So what! If they were listed outside of the cast and someone wanted to add them I would have said no. But they are clearly listed within the cast section of the end credits. | | | | Last edited: by CubbyUps |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | From my point of view, neither stuntmen nor stand ins - they even less - should be listed as credited cast. If they were meant to be credited cast, they would have a role attached.
But in this special case - yes, I know that there are even more examples for stuntmen, which could/should be adressed the same way - I'd say that these persons are uncredited cast. Adding an according description why they are included - maybe with reference to he according featurette - should satisfy the rules...
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
From my point of view, neither stuntmen nor stand ins - they even less - should be listed as credited cast. If they were meant to be credited cast, they would have a role attached.
But in this special case - yes, I know that there are even more examples for stuntmen, which could/should be adressed the same way - I'd say that these persons are uncredited cast. Adding an according description why they are included - maybe with reference to he according featurette - should satisfy the rules...
Just my two cents... In regards to roles, how many tv shows list cast with no roles? Quite a few and even though they have no roles associated with them we credited them. Why would this be any different for this? |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
In regards to roles, how many tv shows list cast with no roles? Quite a few and even though they have no roles associated with them we credited them. Why would this be any different for this? You are kidding, aren't you? Because the other cast has roles attached? | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've started a topic in the Rules Committee to try and resolve this once and for all.
I'm done giving my opinion on this in here. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
If they are listed within the cast section how are they not cast? Because they are listed with a crew job. Quote:
It shouldn't matter what we think, it should matter where the credit lies. If it's good enough for the studio to list them as cast why should we remove them? I'm sorry, but this is a contradiction. Regardless of where they are credited, the studio decided to list them with a crew job, not a cast role. Supervising Stunt Coordinator is a crew job, not a cast credit. Stunt Coordinator is a crew job, not a cast credit. 2nd Unit Stunt Coordinators is a crew job, not a cast credit. Fight Stunt Coordinator is a crew job, not a cast credit. Picture Ship Pilots is a crew job, not a cast credit. Pilots is a crew job, not a cast credit. Stand-ins is a crew job, not a cast credit. Stunts is a crew job, not a cast credit. It doesn't matter where they are listed, crew is crew and cast is cast. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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If they are listed within the cast section how are they not cast?
Because they are listed with a crew job.
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It shouldn't matter what we think, it should matter where the credit lies. If it's good enough for the studio to list them as cast why should we remove them?
I'm sorry, but this is a contradiction. Regardless of where they are credited, the studio decided to list them with a crew job, not a cast role.
Supervising Stunt Coordinator is a crew job, not a cast credit.
Stunt Coordinator is a crew job, not a cast credit.
2nd Unit Stunt Coordinators is a crew job, not a cast credit.
Fight Stunt Coordinator is a crew job, not a cast credit.
Picture Ship Pilots is a crew job, not a cast credit.
Pilots is a crew job, not a cast credit.
Stand-ins is a crew job, not a cast credit.
Stunts is a crew job, not a cast credit.
It doesn't matter where they are listed, crew is crew and cast is cast. So you're saying that the studio doesn't know what is cast and you do? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
So you're saying that the studio doesn't know what is cast and you do? I don't believe I said that at all. I am fairly sure the studio knows what cast is as they gave them all a role. I also believe that they know what crew is, because they credited them with a crew job. All I am saying is that we should not enter people, into the cast list, that the studio clearly listed as crew. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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So you're saying that the studio doesn't know what is cast and you do?
I don't believe I said that at all. I am fairly sure the studio knows what cast is as they gave them all a role. I also believe that they know what crew is, because they credited them with a crew job.
All I am saying is that we should not enter people, into the cast list, that the studio clearly listed as crew. If they are crew than the studio wouldn't have listed them within the cast list. To me when they are clearly listed with one unbroken cast list then they are cast regardless of what their job was. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | To you... obviously not everyone agrees with that line of thinking. I personally believe when it comes to credits the studios have no set rule they follow. They just put cast where they want to put them and crew where they want them at. Mixing the two is not unheard of.
I have seen additional cast (obvious cast with roles) added well after the rest of the cast with a whole group of crew credits in between. Don't make them any less of cast members. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
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If they are crew than the studio wouldn't have listed them within the cast list. And you know this how exactly? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 516 |
| | Posted: | | | | I find we should credit them. The fact is, they did play for Paul Walker. So make a group at the end of the Cast called
Stand-Ins: Paul Walker
Caleb Walker Brian O'Conner
Cody Walker Brian O'Conner
I find this is a worthful information for everybody, also in some years when people don't remember this tragedy any more. The world does not go down because you list this, you can be sure :-), and we do list informations here, better one more than one missing.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | They appear to have been included with the rest of the cast and not with the crew, so that's how I would list them. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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If they are crew than the studio wouldn't have listed them within the cast list.
And you know this how exactly? By the credits shown on screen and their position relative to the Cast heading. All of these people are listed under a "Cast" heading at the very start. |
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