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Is there a difference between a short and a short film? I'm not a native speaker, but I always thought there is none. The Acadamy Awards consider everything a short film with a length of 40 minutes or less.

I am a native speaker and I have always thought there is none as well.  Having their own individual release doesn't make them feature films, they are still shorts.

which of these as a native speaker do you use.
Navajo
Cree
Inuit languages
Ojibwe
Sioux (Dakota and Lakota)
Cherokee
Yup'ik
Apache
Choctaw
Keres
Innu
Dene
Tohono O'odham
Mi'kmaq
Zuni
Hopi

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I have never heard if any difference between a short and a short film. It is the same thing.

are they the same as Animated Television Specials. That is what these are. Released in the 60s and 70s on primetime television, produced to fit into a 1/2 hour timeslot.

I know exactly what they are... and yes... I would definitely, without a doubt consider  them shorts.

of the 7 stories

4 are longer than 45 minutes

Mr. Magoos Christmas carol 53 minutes
Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer 47 Minutes
Cricket on the Hearth 60 Minutes
Santa Clause is Coming to Town 48 Minutes

3 are under 30 minutes

Frosty the Snowman 25 Minutes
Frosty returns 24 minutes
Little Dummer boy 25 minutes

A short is typically 20 to 40 minutes. (AFI is 40 minutes, IMDB is 45min)

So do we profile the 4 longer ones and not the 3 shorter ones?

Just to be clear, the way I plan on profiling this

parent UPC with slip cover image
  Disc 1 by disk ID and it cover image
          all films profiled under episode dividers (no alternate ids)
  Disc 2 by disk id and its cover image
          all films profiled under episode dividers (no alternate ids)

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of the 7 stories

4 are longer than 45 minutes

Mr. Magoos Christmas carol 53 minutes
Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer 47 Minutes
Cricket on the Hearth 60 Minutes
Santa Clause is Coming to Town 48 Minutes

3 are under 30 minutes

Frosty the Snowman 25 Minutes
Frosty returns 24 minutes
Little Dummer boy 25 minutes

A short is typically 20 to 40 minutes. (AFI is 40 minutes, IMDB is 45min)

So do we profile the 4 longer ones and not the 3 shorter ones?

Upon further review, I don't really consider these shorts due to their length.  I think what is really needed though is some clarification as to what Invelos deems a short.  For tracking my viewing, ratings, etc., alternate profiles would be much more helpful.

There is absolutely no difference when it comes to TV Show episodes. And most people don't want a profile for every episode (though I would!). I do believe that Invelos does need to make a decision on length for shorts... but I also think we need to keep the rules for shorts as it is (plus ruling) or if opened up for profiling then we need to treat TV Show episodes the same and profile those as well.

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A film is a film is a film...regardless of length.
Some films were released as one reelers, some as 2, 4, 6, 12, etc.. All would play at the local neighborhood theatre.

I am not sure about other countries, but in the US, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences does make a distinction.

From their rules: "A short film is defined as an original motion picture that has a running time of 40 minutes or less, including all credits."

Many of our terms and rules are based on what is defined by their rules.  I have no reason to believe the term 'shorts', in the invelos rule is any different.

I know what a "short film" is. and what a feature film is, and I know about the Academy ruling on what constitutes a short.

While the Academy may make "distinctions"....short vs feature, drama vs animated vs documentary, etc etc etc, they do not exclude any...all are recognized and awarded oscars.....as long as they are films, and not, for example books or paintings.


I think you missed my point which was:

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Seems kind of strange (to me) why some people would want to track certain movies they have on disc and not other (movies), based on length alone.

I mean, just about everything else is tracked on DVDP. Why no interest in tracking a 42 minute film that is part of a 3 film set? The 58 minute film and the 49 minute film get tracked/profiled, but not the 42 minute film?
Isn't that what profiling your discs is all about?

Don't misunderstand me...I'm not advocating changes to the online. I personally track/profile all films in my local...not suggesting you do same...just wondering why some people are so dead against tracking/profiling certain films they have on disc based on film length alone.

As ever, to each his own.

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Clearly I did, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered with the explanation.  Sorry for that.

No worries.


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For the record, I am not against it, the rules are. 

Yes, I realize this. I believe I conceded as much in my initial post.



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I honestly don't know why that section was added to the rules but, if you can get Ken to remove that section, I would have no objection.  In fact, I would support it completely.

I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about the workings of the rules committee, and I may be way off here, but it seems to me that if the interest was there, the users/members could get the rule (any rule) changed.


Is it really up to Ken, or up to the users/members that contribute to the online?
Specifically referring to :

Contribution Rules Committee (Request access)
Discuss and formulate the rules that help shape DVD Profiler's online database. Access by request.

Did Ken set up the rules as they exist, or were they "formulated" by the users/members?

I suppose I could request access to the forum and gain some firsthand knowledge on the workings of same (assuming, of course, "they" let me in).


Not trying to stir the proverbial pot, or, believe it or not, change the status quo.