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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: It just complicates the programming, but I'm sure he would be up to it if he chose to go this route. Like you, I have an extreme amount of faith in Ken's capabilities, so I agree with your assessment. Essentially, it's all possible. But is it all likely? All in all, it seems like a HUGE overhaul of the program - surely the biggest we'd have ever seen. Maybe it will happen someday - sometime after that iPhone version is done, I suppose - or maybe not, but I'm not holding my breath. In the meantime, I'll be trying to make the best of what we've got right now. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Closed: Quote: Hal:
I have a suggestion for you, if you are going to try and impose intent, then i suggest you ASK what that was to begin with. I know that galls you and Martian, but you aren't talking about what the designed intent was. Trust me. You seem to be unaware of the fact that "capitalization" rules only deal with whether to capitalize the first letter of each word. If you disagree, please provide a link to an authoritative source for "capitalization" rules which describes how to convert all caps to mixed case. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Closed: Quote:
I am following the standard cap rukles, but diacrits are not part of capitalization,(...) Yes, they are in many languages. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: Removed. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Closed: Quote: BTW Martian, if you are suggesting that we ditch "standard caps", while i don't like it aesthetically, that would be preferable to using fictional or imaginary data. But we are already using fictional and imaginary data. The problem is, you prefer one type of fictional and imaginary data, while others prefer a differnet type. While I haven't suggested that we ditch standard caps, it would certainly end a lot of debate and would be 100% as credited. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: It just complicates the programming, but I'm sure he would be up to it if he chose to go this route. Like you, I have an extreme amount of faith in Ken's capabilities, so I agree with your assessment. Essentially, it's all possible. But is it all likely? All in all, it seems like a HUGE overhaul of the program - surely the biggest we'd have ever seen. Maybe it will happen someday - sometime after that iPhone version is done, I suppose - or maybe not, but I'm not holding my breath. In the meantime, I'll be trying to make the best of what we've got right now. I'm not a programmer, so would not hazard a guess as to how "big" it is. Regardless, I think it is worth it for the future of the program. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 681 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: One gripe with this scenario is that whereas all linking information is currently stored local, it would then be in that illustrious "linking file" and we'd only store the actual "as credited" data in our profiles. Sounds lovely, but what if I'm absolutely certain that two name variants need to link together, but somehow I can't get it approved? Then it won't be part of the "linkfile", and they won't link in my local database? I'd have to contribute and get everything accepted to be able to have my local database reflect my own work? I'm sure a lock-system could be created. So that if you have created a link in the linking file you have downloaded locally, that would not be overwritten when downloading an updated file, if you have locked that particular link? I'm no programmer, but shouldn't be impossible(?) edit: wow, so many replies here in between. I guess mine is already dated | | | Mika I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) | | | Last edited: by Draxen |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Closed:
Quote: Hal:
I have a suggestion for you, if you are going to try and impose intent, then i suggest you ASK what that was to begin with. I know that galls you and Martian, but you aren't talking about what the designed intent was. Trust me.
You seem to be unaware of the fact that "capitalization" rules only deal with whether to capitalize the first letter of each word.
If you disagree, please provide a link to an authoritative source for "capitalization" rules which describes how to convert all caps to mixed case. DUH! I am not the one trying to arguue for imaginary data, Hal. You are, the Rules are what they are and what they have been and what we have operated under for FIVE years. You want to scrap it ALL, you want to play with fiction not fact, you want o use "correct" as defined by HAL,. not by the filmmaker's data, after all Hal knows moer than do the filmmakers and if he doesn't then all we have to do isd ask surfeur and Taro betweemn the three of you...you have all the answers, and martian can fill in what's left. That's a plan....NOT. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Closed: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Closed:
Quote: Hal:
I have a suggestion for you, if you are going to try and impose intent, then i suggest you ASK what that was to begin with. I know that galls you and Martian, but you aren't talking about what the designed intent was. Trust me.
You seem to be unaware of the fact that "capitalization" rules only deal with whether to capitalize the first letter of each word.
If you disagree, please provide a link to an authoritative source for "capitalization" rules which describes how to convert all caps to mixed case. DUH! I am not the one trying to arguue for imaginary data, Hal. You are, the Rules are what they are and what they have been and what we have operated under for FIVE years. You want to scrap it ALL, you want to play with fiction not fact, you want o use "correct" as defined by HAL,. not by the filmmaker's data, after all Hal knows moer than do the filmmakers and if he doesn't then all we have to do isd ask surfeur and Taro betweemn the three of you...you have all the answers, and martian can fill in what's left. That's a plan....NOT. In other words, you cannot provide a source for how to convert all caps to mixed case? | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Draxen"
Man this is all over the place, satnadrad caps, inclusion of fictional data which can only be hallucinated, now the linking system. This thread is covering so much ground how can it possibly solve anything. But the linking system is broken and has been from the day it was implemented, I frankly still don't understand why Ken thought this was such a good choice, I would like to but it just doesn't make sense. But his too is something I have suggested a fix for long ago and that suggestion still stands and will fix the linking system. It may be some work, but6 it will create a workable system. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Is it difficult to add characters (such as the en dash) to a program? Someone had a suggestion that I would also like to bring up; should invelos implement the utilization of the locks? For example, many DVDs are correctly entered in the database. Why shouldn't the online database be locked so that erroneous data can not be entered. After hearing that, I thought that maybe a committee or the screeners could make a final assessment and then implement the locks. I do understand that this is premature as far as this thread is concerned but would be implemented once the final decision is made. Edit: I see Draxen suggested the locks idea first. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Closed: Quote: All knowing and all accurate Wiki.... sure I won;'t buy that Martain. And if you didn't talkingb about before then you are twisting words intentionally and have no business in the discussion,. Don't twist my words, or stop pretending that you know what Iwas meaning. That just goes to prove something about you which is not very nice. I honestly don't care whether or not you buy it, it is true. That is all the Character Map does. As to twisting your words, this is what you said: Quote: Hal:
Then FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT would be Francois Truffaut, that is what you see, you don't see the diacritical because it doesn't exist in the credit. Right. Tou might see it in your mind, but it does not appear On Screen as I have presented the data. As I said, your post was about what was seen on screen, so I didn't twist your words nor did I pretend to know what you meant. It's not my fault that you meant something other than what you wrote. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
As long as the new "linking" file contained an entry telling the program that Rene Bond=Paula Schnall, then when you double click on Paula Schnall in the cast list, it would display all films where she's credited as either Rene Bond or Paula Schnall. OK I got it, but I continue to hope I will be able to do it as I do actually in my personal database (if only for the good reason that many of the adult films I own are pay to download version and not dvd, so impossible to contribute). |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Regardless, I think it is worth it for the future of the program. Agreed. We'll just have to wait and see. All you and I both have been saying is that surfeur's proposal would only add more problems to the system we have today. As such, it's a bad proposal. If/when we get a complete linking system overhaul, then we can see what options that new system offers us to best deal with the conversion of ALL-CAPS credits into mixed case. But right now, surfeur's proposal would wreak havoc on the current system, which is why right now Ken's current ruling (E=e, É=é) has to prevail. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting No_Name_Needed:
Quote: It's possible and this is maybe something I've missinterpreted since the first time you had talked about this. So here an exemple with Rene Bond:
Credit screencap from Mary! Mary!
She is credited here under the Paula Schnall alias (wich of course I've confirm on screen)
Presently as I do it in my database this credit is entered like this :
Rene Bond (Paula Schnall) as Policewoman
Will it rest the same with your propose system or it will become :
Rene Bond (no credited as) as Policewoman Paula Schnall as Policewoman (this is the 2.X way)
It would be entered Paula Schnall as Policewoman
As long as the new "linking" file contained an entry telling the program that Rene Bond=Paula Schnall, then when you double click on Paula Schnall in the cast list, it would display all films where she's credited as either Rene Bond or Paula Schnall. Additional entries in the "linking" file would be used to link profiles where any other aliases may have been used. But you would not have to edit any of the cast lists at all. Just enter the on-screen credit. Hal.... I always said I thought your suggestion sounded better... but out of curiosity... I know there isn't many like it. But how would handle a credit like Smithee where more then one person may have used the credit? | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Closed: Quote: DUH! I am not the one trying to arguue for imaginary data, Hal. I am sorry, but you are trying to argue for imaginary data. To be clear, anybody that wants to enter the data in mixed case, when it is presented in all upper or lowercase, is arguing for imaginary data. Quote: You are, the Rules are what they are and what they have been and what we have operated under for FIVE years. You want to scrap it ALL, you want to play with fiction not fact, you want o use "correct" as defined by HAL,. not by the filmmaker's data, after all Hal knows moer than do the filmmakers and if he doesn't then all we have to do isd ask surfeur and Taro betweemn the three of you...you have all the answers, and martian can fill in what's left. That's a plan....NOT. Ignoring all the hyperbole, how is your way any different? Aren't you changing the data to your version of 'correct'? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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