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Unofficial Invelos Presidential Poll (for Foreigners)
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Baloney.  Don't put the problems with banks in other countries on us.  In fact, I suspect that the idea for the subprime thing that Barney Frank was pushing came from Europe first.

Sure, it was the European real estate market that sucked up the US money.
It was completely the other way round. Americas banking system cried out about a year ago that the system is going to fail because of foul credits and overdebted real estates (up to 10 times real worth).

European banks pushed in their money, well knowing that if the US financial system breaks down the rest of the world goes with them. One of the stranger things here was the German KFW-Bank which transferred 300 million € to Lehman Bros. on the day they declared bankruptcy.
For Germany this means (as far as we know up to now) German banks gave the US banks 1.000 Billion € and bought foul credits for this. This money is lost.
Yesterday the German parliament decided to help with 500 billion € to keep the financial system working. This money is probably lost.
Means: Germany alone spent 1.5 Trillion € on your houses. So now please don't come here and say we started it.
This is 100% US American homebrew. But it's like CocaCola, all the world drinks it too.


OK, maybe so, but the reason your banks are in trouble now is that they started doing the same things.  In other words, they started feeding the monster just like we were, and when we all ran out of food, it turned on us.  But, I wouldn't say all that money is lost, because the real estate is still there and still has value.  The problem is that cash flow has dried up paying off all the people who freaked and bailed out of the markets.
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And have you forgotten that they ACTUALLY USED chemical weapons on the Kurds?

That were the Turks, not the Iraqis. Didn't make any difference for the Kurds though.


Kurds are indiginous to Iraq, Iran, and Turkey.  Saddam Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds and other ethnic Iraqis during his despotic reign, mostly with poison gas.
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I would have voted for John McCain.
Obama has no experience whatsoever, unlike McCain.
Sure, Obama has all the talk, but can he do the walk? highly doubtful !

And don't let me start about his so called "questionable connections" with extremists.


Besides that, Obama is no friend of Israel, despite what his mouth says.
John

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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S.  I honestly couldn't care less who you would like to see as President.

I'm not sure what the OP had in mind, but to me the question seems to be what do we think would be best for the rest of the world.

The US has great power. With great power comes great responsibility. This power and this responsibility goes way beyond the borders of the US. So it's quite reasonable that those of us who don't get to vote can still have an opinion.

If you don't want to hear that opinion, that's sad, but that's your prerogative. There's no need to be rude about it, though.



Sorry, but this election is for the American people, under American law, for leader of America.  Whether or not that effects other countries is only germaine insofar as the actions of new president pertain to foreign treaties and alliances and to our effects on Global warming and our financial and trade policies. Our military strategy in Iraq /Afghanistan etc .  Now, if you think the well-being of your country is affected to some extent by who becomes president, then that is because of arrangements YOUR country has entered into with the US.  Even then, it still doesn't give you the right to criticize our choice, or the way we go about making that choice.  Anything else is interference in our process, and that is not the way to endear yourselves to the American public or our leaders.


You've missed off a bit.



No, I haven't.  Global warning is a bunch of BS, and you lot were standing around picking your noses while Saddam and the Taliban were hosting terrorists that far too many times came over to YOUR neck of the woods and blew things up.  It took the US to go in and try to do something about it.  As usual, Europe reaps the benefits of our largess while expending little or no treasure of its own on the problem.  And then you have the gaul to stand around and complain about us.
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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S.  I honestly couldn't care less who you would like to see as President.

I'm not sure what the OP had in mind, but to me the question seems to be what do we think would be best for the rest of the world.

The US has great power. With great power comes great responsibility. This power and this responsibility goes way beyond the borders of the US. So it's quite reasonable that those of us who don't get to vote can still have an opinion.

If you don't want to hear that opinion, that's sad, but that's your prerogative. There's no need to be rude about it, though.



Sorry, but this election is for the American people, under American law, for leader of America.  Whether or not that effects other countries is only germaine insofar as the actions of new president pertain to foreign treaties and alliances and to our effects on Global warming and our financial and trade policies. Our military strategy in Iraq /Afghanistan etc .  Now, if you think the well-being of your country is affected to some extent by who becomes president, then that is because of arrangements YOUR country has entered into with the US.  Even then, it still doesn't give you the right to criticize our choice, or the way we go about making that choice.  Anything else is interference in our process, and that is not the way to endear yourselves to the American public or our leaders.


You've missed off a bit.



No, I haven't.  Global warning is a bunch of BS, and you lot were standing around picking your noses while Saddam and the Taliban were hosting terrorists that far too many times came over to YOUR neck of the woods and blew things up.  It took the US to go in and try to do something about it.  As usual, Europe reaps the benefits of our largess while expending little or no treasure of its own on the problem.  And then you have the gaul to stand around and complain about us.


Frankly, this statement is complete BS. As some of your friends from the very right you forget to presents any arguments or facts.
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Lars:

Trust me you don't want me to begin criticizing the politics and selection processes in other countries. Nor will I because it is not my affair or business, I unlike you and others am uncomfortable intruding in the politics of sovreign countries, that is me not our politicos.

Ha ha ha... Skip, I am not bashing the fact that the US interfears where needed (most cases I have supported it), but claiming it doesn't happen is stupid. For example, how exactly was it the US and the allied countries managed to invade Iraq and capture the recognized leader of the country without interfearing with another country?
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And please allow me to remind you were it not for the United States under who's boot you would be groveling today.

Try to read it again. I am not criticizing the US for interfearing, I am only saying it is stupid to not recognize it is happening. Just as it is insane stupid not to listen to the oppinion of other people. You are of course free to ignore it, but not listening to see if you can learn something is a sign of limited inteligence.
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No, I don't forget that and the thousands of Americans who willingly gave the ultimate sacrifice so that you and the rest of Europe could live the life you do today...a life of relative freedom.

Yes, and what has that to do with this? After all, I reserved the right the Soviet Union when it existed, and they lost a lot more men fighting the Nazis than the US did.
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Let me also remind you that the ONLY thing the United States has requested in at least the last 80 years is enough land to bury our dead.

You have also requested (and gotten) assistence in fighting taliban in Afghanistan. Or are you saying we should just pack up and let you deal with it yourself? Somehow that is not really the message I get from your president (current or either of candidates).
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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S.  I honestly couldn't care less who you would like to see as President.

I'm not sure what the OP had in mind, but to me the question seems to be what do we think would be best for the rest of the world.

The US has great power. With great power comes great responsibility. This power and this responsibility goes way beyond the borders of the US. So it's quite reasonable that those of us who don't get to vote can still have an opinion.

If you don't want to hear that opinion, that's sad, but that's your prerogative. There's no need to be rude about it, though.



Sorry, but this election is for the American people, under American law, for leader of America.  Whether or not that effects other countries is only germaine insofar as the actions of new president pertain to foreign treaties and alliances and to our effects on Global warming and our financial and trade policies. Our military strategy in Iraq /Afghanistan etc .  Now, if you think the well-being of your country is affected to some extent by who becomes president, then that is because of arrangements YOUR country has entered into with the US.  Even then, it still doesn't give you the right to criticize our choice, or the way we go about making that choice.  Anything else is interference in our process, and that is not the way to endear yourselves to the American public or our leaders.


You've missed off a bit.



No, I haven't.  Global warning is a bunch of BS, and you lot were standing around picking your noses while Saddam and the Taliban were hosting terrorists that far too many times came over to YOUR neck of the woods and blew things up.  It took the US to go in and try to do something about it.  As usual, Europe reaps the benefits of our largess while expending little or no treasure of its own on the problem.  And then you have the gaul to stand around and complain about us.


ROTFL! Hilarious!
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No, I haven't.  Global warning is a bunch of BS, and you lot were standing around picking your noses while Saddam and the Taliban were hosting terrorists that far too many times came over to YOUR neck of the woods and blew things up.  It took the US to go in and try to do something about it.  As usual, Europe reaps the benefits of our largess while expending little or no treasure of its own on the problem.  And then you have the gaul to stand around and complain about us.


Now what was the name of that other country that went in to Iraq with you.. Btitan, Brittn, Bratton.. nope can't remember..
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You have also requested (and gotten) assistence in fighting taliban in Afghanistan. Or are you saying we should just pack up and let you deal with it yourself? Somehow that is not really the message I get from your president (current or either of candidates).


Yes and I found the following from wikipedia

    * US - 32,500 (23,550 - ISAF)
    * UK - 8,530
    * Germany - 3,370
    * France 2,660
    * Canada - 2,500
    * Italy - 2,350
    * Netherlands - 1,770
    * Poland - 1,140
    * Australia - 1,100
    * Spain - 800
    * Macedonia -140
    * Turkey - 760
    * Denmark - 750
    * Norway - 580
    * Romania - 570

I don't know how accurate the numbers are or when it was last updated. But as can be seen, the effort in Afghanistan is certainly not only the US.
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No, I haven't.  Global warning is a bunch of BS, and you lot were standing around picking your noses while Saddam and the Taliban were hosting terrorists that far too many times came over to YOUR neck of the woods and blew things up.  It took the US to go in and try to do something about it.  As usual, Europe reaps the benefits of our largess while expending little or no treasure of its own on the problem.  And then you have the gaul to stand around and complain about us.


Now what was the name of that other country that went in to Iraq with you.. Btitan, Brittn, Bratton.. nope can't remember..


Some of us actually appreciate that fact! 
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Iran has as much nuclear weapons as Iraq had biological and chemical weapons.


That is a scary thought.  Unless you have been living in a cave, you should know that Saddam Hussein had...and used...chemical and biological weapons on his own people.  The fact that he was able to get rid of them, before the invasion, doesn't change that fact.
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No, I haven't.  Global warning is a bunch of BS, and you lot were standing around picking your noses while Saddam and the Taliban were hosting terrorists that far too many times came over to YOUR neck of the woods and blew things up.  It took the US to go in and try to do something about it.  As usual, Europe reaps the benefits of our largess while expending little or no treasure of its own on the problem.  And then you have the gaul to stand around and complain about us.

I've only recently started to read this thread, but this is just truly fantastic stuff.

OK, let me dissect those sentences for you.
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Global warning is a bunch of BS

Well, that just sums it up, doesn't it?
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and you lot were standing around picking your noses while Saddam and the Taliban were hosting terrorists that far too many times came over to YOUR neck of the woods and blew things up.

Wow, two totally unrelated things, meshed together to make it appear that they are related. The Taliban originated in Afghanistan and only recently spread to Pakistan. They have never appeared in Iraq, and certainly not during Saddam's heyday. While Taliban are considered insurgents, they are not the same insurgents that are currently trying to deregulate Iraq. About the 'blowing things up', I take it you refer to Spain? Spain didn't plunge itself headfirst into a war. After many, many years of ETA terrorism they are very well aware of the consequences of wars, civil or otherwise.

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It took the US to go in and try to do something about it.

We all know the stories from the UK and how they were suckered into this pointless war by their leaders. Something about "You're either with us or with the terrorists..."? And boy, did the rest of the world behave like lapdogs to Dubya.
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As usual, Europe reaps the benefits of our largess while expending little or no treasure of its own on the problem.

Imagine spending all that money on education, social security, healthcare and foreign aid! Bad Europe! Bad!
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And then you have the gaul to stand around and complain about us.

Surely we're not complaining. The war has put a financial strain on your country, so tight it's on the brink of imploding. That strain can never be lifted within 4 or 8 years, so the next president (see, I'm getting back on topic!) will have a hard job.
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And have you forgotten that they ACTUALLY USED chemical weapons on the Kurds?

That were the Turks, not the Iraqis. Didn't make any difference for the Kurds though.


Really?

Try here
and here
and here.
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