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| Registered: March 17, 2007 |  Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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You are actually asking me to be "open-minded" to this sort of brutality rather than you accepting what you condone by circulating these videos.
No, I don't. I meant you should be more tolerable to what other people may think is funny and that it doesn't have to indicate they approve of the behavior that is shown. Speaking of tolerance, thanks for the red arrow, who ever you are. Nice to know that since we disagree it is okay to give red arrows. |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
Talking about brutal. Has everyone seen my post: South Park: Rapists of the Lost Ark (Rated: NC-17)?  Yes I have. It was emailed to me by a friend. I'll tell you what I told him. This wasn't very funny and the subject of rape is very serious. If I were Spielberg or Lucas I would sue South Park out of existence. |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Just viewed the video and found it to be quite disturbing  .
This place is incredible. I express an opinion about the posted video and get a red arrow? This takes the cake. Max so far any of us who said we didn't find it funny have been hit by the red arrow brigade... I am sure I have more coming as some people refuse to act like adults... That is why I posted an honest proposal that was ignored and belittled. |
| | Registered: June 3, 2007 | | Posts: 333 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Speaking of tolerance, thanks for the red arrow, who ever you are. Nice to know that since we disagree it is okay to give red arrows. Agreed. Nothing you said merited one. Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Yes I have. It was emailed to me by a friend. I'll tell you what I told him. This wasn't very funny and the subject of rape is very serious. If I were Spielberg or Lucas I would sue South Park out of existence. Yep. It's a serious subject, but that doesn't mean it's offlimits for humor. (Not much is IMO) Good luck with a lawsuit. The right to parody is pretty clear in US law. (Thank you Larry Flynt) |
| | Registered: April 8, 2007 | | Posts: 1,057 |
| | Posted: | | | | I only thought it a smidgen funny & got a red arrow.
Rick | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick!
Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Snark: Quote:
It's interesting to look at the DVD collections of those who do and do not find the videos funny... There are far more offensive bits of humor to be found in some of the films of those who decry these videos. Airplane! for example. (I'm lazy, so I stopped at the A's, but I'm guessing the B-Z's had some winners too)
Personally, I don't find the videos all that funny. They're a one joke show that relies on shock value.
A quick Wikipedia search shows that the "Terry Tate" gag has been going on for a while. A football player who tries to solve everything with the only tool in his box... football moves. It's like the old SNL "Samurai <X>" sketches without John Belushi.
And those got old quick too.
Humor by it's nature presents situations that can and SHOULD make us uncomfortable. Humor is at it's most effective IMO when it walks the line where you need to laugh before you cry. It is interesting Snark that your collection is set to private. Are you afraid what we will learn about your preferences? Yes I own Airplane, as a matter of fact I watched it two nights ago. It is a very enjoyable stupid, funny movie making fun of other disaster movies. Humans are voyeuristic, it is part of our make up. That is why disaster movies do so well and people drive slowly past car accidents. Enjoying a spoof is way different than finding a linebacker knocking over a woman who could not defend herself against him without a weapon. If she had a hunting rifle and saw him coming there would be a VERY different outcome and you would not be laughing. Finally, can you explain to me how Airplane relates, I appear to be missing the common thread? |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 405 |
| | Posted: | | | | Years ago I remember a discussion/argument such as this one, except it involved an internet gif, the one where the old lady runs onto the screen and football kicks an unsuspecting baby!!! Sorry I would link if I could find it...
Anyway a similiar discussion arose on an old Philadelphia Eagle's forum and it became heated because someone thought the baby kicking gif was brutal and politically incorrect.
This discussion is similiar, obviously everyone has differing opinions about what is funny and what is distasteful. The point that everyone needs to remember is that the entire world is full of people with differing tastes and opinions and on an internet message board you will inevitably bump into them from time to time.
What I find disturbing is how everyone is losing sight of this fact on these forums. I have been here for a couple years now, and I have seen many heated discussions melt down into personal attacks and name calling, but those usually dealt with profile admissions and rule discussions.
I think what we are seeing on these boards, these heated political debates, constant name calling and overly abusive use of the red arrows is backlash from our own individual frustrations with our current global situation, be it politically driven or economically motivated (as if they were separate in anyway).
Everyone needs to step back a little and ask yourself why you are so angry with some person you really don't even know typing an opinion on an internet message board!!! | | | | My Collection!!! |
| | Registered: June 3, 2007 | | Posts: 333 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
It is interesting Snark that your collection is set to private. Are you afraid what we will learn about your preferences? Yes I own Airplane, as a matter of fact I watched it two nights ago. It is a very enjoyable stupid, funny movie making fun of other disaster movies. Humans are voyeuristic, it is part of our make up. That is why disaster movies do so well and people drive slowly past car accidents. Enjoying a spoof is way different than finding a linebacker knocking over a woman who could not defend herself against him without a weapon. If she had a hunting rifle and saw him coming there would be a VERY different outcome and you would not be laughing. Finally, can you explain to me how Airplane relates, I appear to be missing the common thread? My collection is set to private because my collection URL started to circulate at work and I don't need the grief of either people judging my tastes or asking to borrow my discs.  As far as being "afraid" of people learning of my preferences, no worries at all. I have a large collection of "Something Wierd" videos.  Yours wasn't actually one of the ones I took a look at, but as you ask for relevence... Airplane! touched on pedophila, racial issues, sex between children, the beating of women, etc. Without shame. And why should it? It's comedy. The real question is why is Airplane! exempt and the "Terry Tate" shorts not? The only difference I can see is that Airplane! was funny by nature and the only real humour in the Tate/Palin shorts was the unintentional painful humor of watching Palin answer Couric's questions. The bit and the end was a bit of a one trick pony. | | | | Last edited: by Snark |
| | Registered: June 3, 2007 | | Posts: 333 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well said Calidian!  |
| | Registered: June 3, 2007 | | Posts: 333 |
| | Posted: | | | | And in case I'm not making myself clear, I have no issue with those who don't find 'em funny. I'm with you on that one. It's not particularly insighful or clever. Rather like a fart joke.
But I do think most people find things funny that they don't approve of in real life. Excessive farting for example. (Ok, so fart jokes are low hanging fruit from both sides of the equation)
When it comes to comedy I think everyone needs to lighten up and see the silly side of things.
In the case of the "Terry Tate" shorts it's not the violence that's the joke so much as that it's his only way of dealing with things. Is it funny? Not particularly. But neither is it particularly offensive. I doubt most folks here could throw a dart at their DVD shelves without coming within a foot of something far more tasteless. |
| | Registered: April 8, 2007 | | Posts: 1,057 |
| | Posted: | | | | Lord - I think you hit the nail on the head; comedy is highly individualistic what some find funny perhaps you won't. Comedic value should not necessarily be judged funny or not funny, but be allowed to vary between the extremes. I guess one form of humor exaggerates to extremes, or relying on the absurdity of the situation. In real life someone dressed like that, would not get that close to her & be able to do that (shows absurd situation) just as absurd as her babbling (extreme), setting up the skit. Also notice how after Tate tackles Palin, no immediate concern for her is given, likewise Tate is not restrained etc. this suggests gag, pitiful attempt at humor. I guess the absurdity & the exaggeration, plus the not knowing what is about to happen, is what there going after.
Rick | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick!
Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Snark: Quote:
Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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It is interesting Snark that your collection is set to private. Are you afraid what we will learn about your preferences? Yes I own Airplane, as a matter of fact I watched it two nights ago. It is a very enjoyable stupid, funny movie making fun of other disaster movies. Humans are voyeuristic, it is part of our make up. That is why disaster movies do so well and people drive slowly past car accidents. Enjoying a spoof is way different than finding a linebacker knocking over a woman who could not defend herself against him without a weapon. If she had a hunting rifle and saw him coming there would be a VERY different outcome and you would not be laughing. Finally, can you explain to me how Airplane relates, I appear to be missing the common thread?
My collection is set to private because my collection URL started to circulate at work and I don't need the grief of either people judging my tastes or asking to borrow my discs. As far as being "afraid" of people learning of my preferences, no worries at all. I have a large collection of "Something Wierd" videos.
Yours wasn't actually one of the ones I took a look at, but as you ask for relevence...
Airplane! touched on pedophila, racial issues, sex between children, the beating of women, etc. Without shame. And why should it? It's comedy.
The real question is why is Airplane! exempt and the "Terry Tate" shorts not?
The only difference I can see is that Airplane! was funny by nature and the only real humour in the Tate/Palin shorts was the unintentional painful humor of watching Palin answer Couric's questions. The bit and the end was a bit of a one trick pony. I actually had forgotten about that scene... The only reason it is funny is because of the group people waiting to, "Calm Her Down." The third woman in line has a revolver. That would have made her permanently calm. I am not defending this scene in the movie as I still find the brutal attack of another human being wrong, I will defend it on the grounds that the line of people was so utterly impossible as to it never would have happened. In 78 an older man wanting to spend time with a small boy would have been seen as psychedelic. This was the character flaw they gave Graves so he wouldn't seem angelic, no hero should be perfect. The two kids was an actual reenactment of a scene from zero hour simply done with kids. The line she utters, "I take it black, like my men." Was startling in the 40's when said by an adult white female. In 78 no one really would have cared. Make the exchange between two kids though and it is again startling. Anyway Snark you have some good points, but I still feel the Tate videos are deplorable. | | | | Last edited: by Lord Of The Sith |
| | Registered: June 3, 2007 | | Posts: 333 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
I actually had forgotten about that seen... The only reason it is funny is because of the group people waiting to, "Calm Her Down." The third woman in line has a revolver. That would have made her permanently calm. I am not defending this scene in the movie as I still find the brutal attack of another human being wrong, I will defend it on the grounds that the line of people was so utterly impossible as to it never would have happened. In 78 an older man wanting to spend time with a small boy would have been seen as psychedelic. This was the character flaw they gave Graves so he wouldn't seem angelic, no hero should be perfect. The two kids was an actual reenactment of a scene from zero hour simply done with kids. The line she utters, "I take it black, like my men." Was startling in the 40's when said by an adult white female. In 78 no one really would have cared. Make the exchange between two kids though and it is again startling.
Anyway Snark you have some good points, but I still feel the Tate videos are deplorable. Thanks Lord :-) I'm not going to argue that the Tate videos are good (It's worth looking at some of the pre-Palin ones tho to get a context for what they're going for.) because I think they're undershooting their target. Thanks for the reference on Zero Hour. I never knew that! It was always one of my favorite movie scenes (In Airplane!) and I had no clue it was a callback to an earlier film. I'll dig it up. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just for the record: I never said I personally liked these videos or think they're funny, I just wanted to know what people thoughts were about them. And before anyone asks, with the comment below I referred to my preference in general and not to this in particular. Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
That's not what I meant at all. I just happen to like American Football and sarcastic humor. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: April 8, 2007 | | Posts: 1,057 |
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Dan - Being, been "physically abused as a small child" explains allot about your behavior here, I'm sorry that occurred in your life.
I also strongly resent your comment,
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The fact that you find it to be humorous makes me wonder if this is how you treat the women in your life.
This really contempable, & beneath you Dan!
A small amount of humor you extrapolate to concern how I treat woman! Shame on you! You also coyly post your concern publicly as to plant a seed/belief in the community, about me.
Rick This earned me two red & on green arrow! Quote:
Right on Snark! The vid's have a smidgen of comedic value as, your not expecting the tackle. This is perhaps way to close for home for some conservatives therefore the objections. Keep in mind Sara Palin, shows she's a good sport, & understands comedic work, buy appearing on SNL., & being able to appreciate the humor at her expense. This earned one red arrow! Maybe it's just me, I think the arrow system is flawed. Rick | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick!
Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the single red arrows need to be reviewed more often and the slap-down put on those who abuse it.
Slap-down=red arrow reversed and potentially applied to the person giving the red arrow. |
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