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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
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Using Martin's example, if the credit was:
"Samuel L.Jackson" (no space after the L.)
I would show this as :
Samuel/L./Jackson [Samuel L.Jackson]
If the data is inputed in the system as:
1st data field: Samuel
2nd data field: L.
3rd data field: Jackson
This is not word processing but data processing (hence the online DataBase) it will be shown as [Samuel L. Jackson] and not [Samuel L.Jackson]
you can not enter spaces after names, those are automaticly cut off. Try it out: Create a new cast or crew member, enter the names with trailing spaces, save the changes and go back in edit mode and see if you find the trailing spaces back, you have put there, there gone. What in the world are you talking about? Who said anything about word processing? If you're talking strictly about the data, there is no single name field -- and the only place "Samuel L. Jackson" will appear is in a display of the three fields. Don't you understand that there's a difference between the raw data and the display of that data? When you do a search of the cast database you see "Samuel L. Jackson" in the list, not "SamuelL.Jackson." The spaces after first and middle names ARE NOT IN THE DATA BUT ARE ADDED WHEN THE NAME IS DISPLAYED. That's all I said. You don't need to lecture me about how the program treats the data --I never implied anything otherwise. My understanding was that the example onscreen credit was "Samuel L.Jackson" (no space after L.) To reflect the name as it appears on screen you'd have to use [Samuel L.Jackson]. There is always a space IN THE DISPLAY after first and middle names. (If there's no middle name in the data, only one space is inserted IN THE DISPLAY. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Posted: | | | | I never lectured you, sorry if this is your perception. Quote:
There is always a space IN THE DISPLAY after first and middle names. (If there's no middle name in the data, only one space is inserted IN THE DISPLAY. That is DISPLAY those SPACES are never INSERTED in the data fields | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
The program adds spaces between initials and so do I. I'm just adapting to a silent rule. The program is not adding spaces between initials, you are.Adapting to a silent rule = Personal Prefference | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
The program is not adding spaces between initials, you are. What do you see when you double click on a name in the credit editor? A credited as name with spaces in between. Quote:
Adapting to a silent rule = Personal Prefference Working by the rules, silent or not, is not a personal preference. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
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The program is not adding spaces between initials, you are.
What do you see when you double click on a name in the credit editor? A credited as name with spaces in between. You don't create Cast or Crew in the credited as field. Where do you ad this space for this actor: "Michael Shanks" when you create this Cast Member?  Quote:
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Adapting to a silent rule = Personal Prefference
Working by the rules, silent or not, is not a personal preference. playing with words Dady DVD. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| | Posted: | | | | The fact that there's no large space between the initials "B.R." of Kirk Bryan Ramon Woller in the credits probably is a cosmetic thing or a way to indicate they both are middle names. Anyway reading these credits is matter of interpretation, as I also see letters joined together and we're not trying or able to replicate those too. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| | Posted: | | | |  claiming to follow the rules, and then adding a space where none is credited | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
claiming to follow the rules, and then adding a space where none is credited Have I changed your approved contribution and contributed the change? | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
I never lectured you, sorry if this is your perception.
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There is always a space IN THE DISPLAY after first and middle names. (If there's no middle name in the data, only one space is inserted IN THE DISPLAY.
That is DISPLAY those SPACES are never INSERTED in the data fields Isn't this what I said in the first place?  | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
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claiming to follow the rules, and then adding a space where none is credited
Have I changed your approved contribution and contributed the change? No you just voted no on it, insisting that the space belonged there. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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No you just voted no on it, insisting that the space belonged there. And quite rightly so. Not only do I share Daddy DVD's stance on this, but in this particular example I can assure you that Kirk B. R. Woller (WITH the space) is actually the most-credited form. True, the CLT still shows a small lead for Kirk B.R. Woller, but as always that's just the batch of IMDb-data in our database talking. Having said that I feel that this area is in desperate need of clarification from Ken, very much like similar problems like John Doe, Jr. vs. John Doe Jr. (comma/no comma), or how to deal with (or even whether to deal with it at all) the difference between on-screen credits of J. D. Doe and J.D. Doe (space/no space). These are all very basic issues that desperately need to be addressed in the rules, so we don't have to keep going around in circles saying: "yours is a personal preference!", and: "no, yours is!". And so on....  |
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>8>8 Not only do I share Daddy DVD's stance on this, but in this particular example I can assure you that Kirk B. R. Woller (WITH the space) is actually the most-credited form. True, the CLT still shows a small lead for Kirk B.R. Woller, but as always that's just the batch of IMDb-data in our database talking. >8>8 "Kirk B.R. Woller" is credited in the following 192 titles (471 profiles) "Kirk B. R. Woller" is credited in the following 160 titles (385 profiles) | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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No you just voted no on it, insisting that the space belonged there.
And quite rightly so. Not only do I share Daddy DVD's stance on this, but in this particular example I can assure you that Kirk B. R. Woller (WITH the space) is actually the most-credited form. True, the CLT still shows a small lead for Kirk B.R. Woller, but as always that's just the batch of IMDb-data in our database talking.
Having said that I feel that this area is in desperate need of clarification from Ken, very much like similar problems like John Doe, Jr. vs. John Doe Jr. (comma/no comma), or how to deal with (or even whether to deal with it at all) the difference between on-screen credits of J. D. Doe and J.D. Doe (space/no space). These are all very basic issues that desperately need to be addressed in the rules, so we don't have to keep going around in circles saying: "yours is a personal preference!", and: "no, yours is!". And so on.... You claim you "can assure you that Kirk B. R. Woller (WITH the space) is actually the most-credited form," I haven't seen an evidence of this proof. You assert that the CLT data is "just the batch of IMDb-data in our database talking" without providing any proof of your "assurance" other than your say so. If the CLT data is incorrect for Mr. Waller, by all means contribut corrections to fix it. Just claiming that the CLT data is wrong without backing up that claim with concrete proof to back up that claim is inadequate and a NO vote on a contribution is not proper. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
a NO vote on a contribution is not proper. For the record: I have NOT voted against any update part of this debate. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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a NO vote on a contribution is not proper.
For the record: I have NOT voted against any update part of this debate. But you support NO vote: Quote:
And quite rightly so. Not only do I share Daddy DVD's stance on this, but in this particular example I can assure you that Kirk B. R. Woller (WITH the space) is actually the most-credited form. True, the CLT still shows a small lead for Kirk B.R. Woller, but as always that's just the batch of IMDb-data in our database talking.
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