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The continued drama we call "parsing": Lauren Shuler Donner
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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unlike James I don't make assumptions. James your assumptions are too easily defeated.

The fact that she has several hyphenated credits should be enough for our purposes.

But even if you can show your supposed preferred credit sequence, it won't prove a thing. Why? She could change her name back and forth for each film! Did she do that? Probably not. And it's just as unlikely that she would change her hyphenated surname to a middle-surname combo, as you have alleged is possible.

The hyphenated credits provide the guide for how to set up her name with our parsing structure. We shouldn't have to get a signed affidavit to establish a name.
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right now that's all I see...a house of cards built on inconsistent data and assumptions

Well, that certainly isn't true: it's the other way around. L/S/D is based on nothing but assumptions, as nobody has brought forth any palpable proof showing "Shuler" should go in the middle name field. L//S D, however, is built on palpable proof: the fact that there are a rather large number of verified Lauren Shuler-Donner credits out there. That's by far the best clue we've got, and it didn't even have to come from some questionable third-party source, but all from actual film credits. Adding to the examples as posted by Forget_the_Rest, here are two screenshots from the opening sequence of 'Three Fugitives':



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Seeing as how she currently is almost always credited as LSD, your proof is in the past and is not palapable. Where is the PROOF she has not chosen to change the parsing. You provide NONE, I have offered not one but two ways to do this, I am waiting.

For our purposes, James or for yours. I am after accuracy not a recreation of IMDb garbage that is not documented at all. Your purposses are not good enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim, I want to parse it the way you seem to believe is correct but I demand better proof, not just your guessing based on film that is decades old, given that today she uses a different credit as noted by Unicus and his comment that he was guessing, it may well be a valid guess, but I don't accept guesses. So keep digging and find a sequence, I am righ ther with you, I am not fighting you, I am pushing you for better evidence.

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Tim, I want to parse it the way you seem to believe is correct but I demand better proof

As I've said for three years - "proof" on parsing doesn't exist. Never. It would be lovely if it did, but it doesn't. And the situation deteriotes even further by your own admission that "people can change names at will" - rendering any "documentation" you might find effectively meaningless. Actual film credits really are the most solid thing we're ever going to get.

Additionally, you might find it interesting to know that the production company she has with her husband is called "Donner/Shuler-Donner Productions" (seen in several film credits).

Finally, you're the one who's in the minority at the moment. If you want to change that, you're the one who should provide "better evidence" - not me. As of yet, you've given us nothing but assumptions.
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Additionally, you might find it interesting to know that the production company she has with her husband is called "Donner/Shuler-Donner Productions" (seen in several film credits).


Very true -

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Additionally, you might find it interesting to know that the production company she has with her husband is called "Donner/Shuler-Donner Productions" (seen in several film credits).


Very true -


Forget IRRELEVANT, since Shuler-Donner Productions appears in the very same film as Lauren Shuler-Donner and that film is now over Ten years old, and the credit she uses NOW is Lauren Shuler Donner.

Sequence, Sequence, Sequence.

I'll even take a Shuler-Donner Productions coupled with an LSD credit.

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We can prove a parsing of 1//23 by credits that list her with the hyphen. Can you prove the parsing of 1/2/3 using credits?
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You can prove old data, her current credit is LSD and has been for several years, can you PROVE she has not made a choice to change the parsing. You are making assumption which may or may NOT be correct, base on OLD data going back over twenty years. Even the web is inconsistent in this information. I am suggesting ways to improve the accuracy, that gives a better assumption. If you can produce something current that indicates LS-D as in the Production company tied to an LSD credit or a sequence of credits, then we have a ball game, at present we don't.

If you don't want to prove it and onl;y want to rely on old data that conflicts with current data, then do NOT expect my support, you won't get it and i will vote NO to all such changes. I wnat to see better verification and have suggested ways this can be done.

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Forget IRRELEVANT, since Shuler-Donner Productions appears in the very same film as Lauren Shuler-Donner and that film is now over Ten years old, and the credit she uses NOW is Lauren Shuler Donner.

Sequence, Sequence, Sequence.

I'll even take a Shuler-Donner Productions coupled with an LSD credit.

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Going by IMDb Donner/Shuler-Donner Productions haven't produced ANY films in the last 10 years. However, there are some that MAY have Donner/Shuler-Donner & credited as Lauren Shuler Donner. I don't have them to verify though.

They are -

Free Willy 3
Volcano
Assassins

The info is from IMDb so it would need to be confirmed by those who have the titles.
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Volcano credit is Lauren Shuler Donner.

I don't have access to the disc since its in storage with most of the rest of my collection. But according to the back cover the Production Company is consistent with the Credit, it say Shuler Donner/Donner, no hyphen so we are still looking.

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Tim, I want to parse it the way you seem to believe is correct but I demand better proof

The film credits will be enough to convince most people and the screeners, I believe. Your standards, while they are fine for you, are nowhere in the rules (eg. credits in certain sequences, use of older credits vs. new credits, etc). They're better suited for your local db.

There's not much in the rules about parsing, but we have film credits.

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As I've said for three years - "proof" on parsing doesn't exist. Never. It would be lovely if it did, but it doesn't. And the situation deteriotes even further by your own admission that "people can change names at will" - rendering any "documentation" you might find effectively meaningless. Actual film credits really are the most solid thing we're ever going to get.



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so we are still looking.

No. We're done.
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it say Shuler Donner/Donner, no hyphen so we are still looking.

But even that tells you that she apparently considers "Shuler Donner" to be her last name, doesn't it? If she'd considered her last name to be "Donner", wouldn't they have named the company "Donner/Donner Productions"? Just the fact that they call it either "Donner/Shuler-Donner" or "Donner/Shuler Donner" is another big hint towards L//S D parsing to me.

Edit: I see James has already been far more eloquent in summarizing all this than I could possibly be... 
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Based on that flimsy statement, James, I will vote NO each and every time. I am still reviewing Google entries and still coming up with inconsistencies there. I don't accept your assumptions. if you can't or won't and based on your work of late it's probably won't or don't want to dig for the answer then I simply won't buy it.

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it say Shuler Donner/Donner, no hyphen so we are still looking.

But even that tells you that she apparently considers "Shuler Donner" to be her last name, doesn't it? If she'd considered her last name to be "Donner", wouldn't they have named the company "Donner/Donner Productions"? Just the fact that they call it either "Donner/Shuler-Donner" or "Donner/Shuler Donner" is another big hint towards L//S D parsing to me.

Edit: I see James has already been far more eloquent in summarizing all this than I could possibly be... 

I'll accept that argument, Tim. it's far superior to James' flimsy argument.

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Based on that flimsy statement, James, I will vote NO each and every time. I am still reviewing Google entries and still coming up with inconsistencies there. I don't accept your assumptions. if you can't or won't and based on your work of late it's probably won't or don't want to dig for the answer then I simply won't buy it.

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By all means, vote no. It really makes no difference.
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I personally believe that there's enough evidence to convince practically everyone & well within the rules.

Either way, if you submit it, let us know the result.
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