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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to agree with Pantheon here. We are told to match the case exactly. Where that is impossible we go with as close to exactly as we can get. And I definitely believe that all caps is closer to that exactly goal then mixed. | | | Pete |
| Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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As Pantheon pointed out though all of the letters are capitals. I enter what I see, I see capital letters I enter capitals.
Technically, they are not uppercase "capital letters". They are "Small Capitals". They are not the same thing.
As I posted above, when true uppercase capitals are mixed with small capitals, the small capitals are representative of lowercase characters, not uppercase characters.
Given that we are unable to reproduce the text exactly as seen I think you're splitting hairs.
The simple fact (as I stated earlier) is that they letters are all capitals - and given our limited abilities in this matter, their size should not be taken into account. Agreed. I see B's R's A's and so on (not b's r's a's and so on) so B's R's & A's is what I enter. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Looks like a mixed case to me. Thank goodness they didn't use the wingding font. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | All caps, exactly as it appears. | | | Corey |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote: It's called small caps. Entering it in all caps is TOTALLY WRONG. I would vote "no" for all caps. Proper case is what is on the overview, that is what gets entered. You don't enter your "impressions," just exactly what you see on the case, and you can clearly see that the first letters of the names are larger than the others, hence proper case, with capital letters.
It's a no brainer to me, I can't believe some people see it differently. I am sorry, but you are contradicting yourself in this statement as you are the one who is entering your impressions. While the font is called small caps, and the letters are smaller than the other caps, they are still caps. 'Joe Black' and 'B RAD P ITT' are both proper names. One uses mixed case, the other uses mixed font size. If I am to enter what I see, then I have to enter one in mixed case and the other in all caps. If I were to enter them both in mixed case, then I would be entering the impression the smaller font is designed to give. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | So what you're saying is that we know how to interpret a mixture of uppercase capitals and small capitals when we see them in a cast listing and enter "FRED MCMURRAY" correctly as "Fred McMurray" because the second "M" is an uppercase cap instead of a small cap, but we don't know how to interpret the exact same data when it is in the Overview?
Everyone is saying to enter it exactly as you see it, yet we are not entering it exactly as we see it in either case. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | And at the end of the day, what exactly is the big deal? This is just the sort of meaningless minutia that makes casual observers laugh their butts off at us. It gets tedious trying to defend this program on various message boards because, really, there's no defense for this kind of stuff. |
| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: And at the end of the day, what exactly is the big deal? This is just the sort of meaningless minutia that makes casual observers laugh their butts off at us. It gets tedious trying to defend this program on various message boards because, really, there's no defense for this kind of stuff. You are absolutely right. I've been trying to figure out how to deflect this thread by mentioning CD Profiler. (WWCDPD) | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: [...] And I definitely believe that all caps is closer to that exactly goal then mixed. Here, we disagree. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: One uses mixed case, the other uses mixed font size. In your HTML example you are right. But in typography small caps is a single sized mixed case font and not a mixture of font sizes. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: So what you're saying is that we know how to interpret a mixture of uppercase capitals and small capitals when we see them in a cast listing and enter "FRED MCMURRAY" correctly as "Fred McMurray" because the second "M" is an uppercase cap instead of a small cap, but we don't know how to interpret the exact same data when it is in the Overview?
Everyone is saying to enter it exactly as you see it, yet we are not entering it exactly as we see it in either case. That isn't what I am saying at all as those are two different situations. For the overview, we must copy it exactly as written unless it is in all caps. The same rule applies for cast and crew. It doesn't matter what size those caps are, they still must be converted. Since we have to convert them anyway, we might as well use the size of the letters as our guide. This overview, however, is not in all caps. It is in mixed case so the 'all caps' exception does not apply. Since it does not apply, we must copy the overview exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. We can't replicate font size, or color, so those should not be considered when dealing with a mixed case overview. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: One uses mixed case, the other uses mixed font size. In your HTML example you are right. But in typography small caps is a single sized mixed case font and not a mixture of font sizes. Doesn't matter. The rules say, "Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case." Small caps are still caps. While an " N" is meant to give the impression of an 'n', it isn't an 'n'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: So what you're saying is that we know how to interpret a mixture of uppercase capitals and small capitals when we see them in a cast listing and enter "FRED MCMURRAY" correctly as "Fred McMurray" because the second "M" is an uppercase cap instead of a small cap, but we don't know how to interpret the exact same data when it is in the Overview?
Everyone is saying to enter it exactly as you see it, yet we are not entering it exactly as we see it in either case. That isn't what I am saying at all as those are two different situations. For the overview, we must copy it exactly as written unless it is in all caps. The same rule applies for cast and crew. It doesn't matter what size those caps are, they still must be converted. Since we have to convert them anyway, we might as well use the size of the letters as our guide.
This overview, however, is not in all caps. It is in mixed case so the 'all caps' exception does not apply. Since it does not apply, we must copy the overview exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case.
We can't replicate font size, or color, so those should not be considered when dealing with a mixed case overview. I understand your argument, I simply disagree with your conclusion. Small caps cannot be entered into DVDP exactly as we are instructed in the Rules. That is a limitation of the system. Therefore, a translation is required. You translate them into regular uppercase capitals. And yes, that is an interpretation on your part. That's your prerogative. I translate them into lower case based on: 1. Common practice 2. The way we interpret the exact same data for cast and crew 3. The Wikipedia definition I quoted earlier | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: One uses mixed case, the other uses mixed font size. In your HTML example you are right. But in typography small caps is a single sized mixed case font and not a mixture of font sizes. Doesn't matter. The rules say, "Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case." Small caps are still caps. While an "N" is meant to give the impression of an 'n', it isn't an 'n'. And further we have no control over FONT SIZE or STYLE, the cas is has very clear lower case typeface,, caaliling ANTHONY HOPKINS mixed case is based on capabilities that Profiler does not possess and are therefore irrlevant to the FACT that the data for ANTHONY HOPKINS is ALL caps not mixed and as Im previously stated MAY be bold face. An interrpretation is being created and would be fine and i would agree with it IF tjhe Program had the capabilities about which Rho speaks, but it does NOT. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: While an "N" is meant to give the impression of an 'n', it isn't an 'n'. An " N" isn't an "N" either, in this context. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: (WWCDPD) What Would CD Profiler Do? *nods sagely* |
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