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Is this an 'Edition'? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote: "Won't be for some time" isn't really relevant. There could be (and knowing Disney there WILL be) another edition. I could have used the same logic not to put "Platinum Edition" on the previous release of Snow White, and here we are seven years later with a new one. I think it's an edition. As I said in my post above, 'Platinum Edition' is covered by the second half of the rule. I must say that, based on the poll results at the moment (16 yes, 36 no), that if I am out in left field, I have a lot of company. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
And I think it's an inventory of what's inside the case, so I don't think it's an edition. Seeins as the contents of the case are the distinguishing factor for all editions (and indeed, what we are profiling), I don't see how this is much of an argument. | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Quoting TheMovieman:
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And I think it's an inventory of what's inside the case, so I don't think it's an edition.
Seeins as the contents of the case are the distinguishing factor for all editions (and indeed, what we are profiling), I don't see how this is much of an argument. And how does this one distinguish from other Blu-ray editions of Monsters Inc (which are non-existent)? As I said before (which you took out of the quote): "And when or if Disney releases another BLU-RAY version of Monsters Inc, then we can revisit this. Is it possible Disney will re-release this on Blu-ray again? I guess, but unlikely IMO. Heck, in 7 years we could be moving on to digital storage for our movies, who knows." And I will add, if Disney actually releases another edition of the BLU-RAY of Monsters Inc, it very well may have an edition (like Monstrously Awesome Edition) which would then distinguish that one from this, which I still contend is just advertising that it includes those 3 items rather than, for our purposes, distinguishing it from a previous release (which doesn't exist) and thus not needed here. | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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And I think it's an inventory of what's inside the case, so I don't think it's an edition.
Seeins as the contents of the case are the distinguishing factor for all editions (and indeed, what we are profiling), I don't see how this is much of an argument.
And how does this one distinguish from other Blu-ray editions of Monsters Inc (which are non-existent)? As I said before (which you took out of the quote): "And when or if Disney releases another BLU-RAY version of Monsters Inc, then we can revisit this. Is it possible Disney will re-release this on Blu-ray again? I guess, but unlikely IMO. Heck, in 7 years we could be moving on to digital storage for our movies, who knows."
And I will add, if Disney actually releases another edition of the BLU-RAY of Monsters Inc, it very well may have an edition (like Monstrously Awesome Edition) which would then distinguish that one from this... Go wash your mouth out, young man. Stop giving them ideas. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote: Quoting TheMovieman:
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And I think it's an inventory of what's inside the case, so I don't think it's an edition.
Seeins as the contents of the case are the distinguishing factor for all editions (and indeed, what we are profiling), I don't see how this is much of an argument.
And how does this one distinguish from other Blu-ray editions of Monsters Inc (which are non-existent)? As I said before (which you took out of the quote): "And when or if Disney releases another BLU-RAY version of Monsters Inc, then we can revisit this. Is it possible Disney will re-release this on Blu-ray again? I guess, but unlikely IMO. Heck, in 7 years we could be moving on to digital storage for our movies, who knows."
And I will add, if Disney actually releases another edition of the BLU-RAY of Monsters Inc, it very well may have an edition (like Monstrously Awesome Edition) which would then distinguish that one from this...
Go wash your mouth out, young man. Stop giving them ideas.
Skip I should work for these studios. I sometimes imagine some guy in a cubicle just writing down inane (and insane) edition titles for them... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | I was torn between Rick's and the Martian's arguments, but tend to think that this is indeed merely a content description, with the studio trying to get people to bu Blu-ray now, even if the customers may not have a player yet.
An interesting example I found in my collection is Coraline, which also has the "Blu-ray + DVD +Digital Copy" header but then also shows that it's a "2-Disc Collectgor's Edition". | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I must say that, based on the poll results at the moment (16 yes, 36 no), that if I am out in left field, I have a lot of company. I'm actually surprised to see so many people actually think this is an Edition descriptor. | | | Hal |
| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,033 |
| Posted: | | | | If anything were to be used as an edition i would think it should be Combo Pack, 4 Disc Edition, or 4 Disc Combo Pack
That's what these releases seem to be called for the most part.
plus why include the TM after blu-ray but not after Digital Copy?
-Agrare |
| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,033 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting trondmm: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quote: I've seen titles where the DVD is added as a child profile, as if it is a box set. This is allowed per Gerri. No need for discussion on this one.
It is? Eeew. why Eeew? there are different features\specs on the dvd version than the blu-ray so it's the only way to keep the info for both. Plus you can set watched by, loaned to, etc separately. And if you don't want the child profile you don't need to download it. -Agrare |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote: If anything were to be used as an edition i would think it should be Combo Pack, 4 Disc Edition, or 4 Disc Combo Pack
That's what these releases seem to be called for the most part.
plus why include the TM after blu-ray but not after Digital Copy?
-Agrare Is that anywhere on the DVD box? I just looked at the cover at dvdempire... and I didn't see it anywhere on the front or back scans... and per rules if you use anything not in the standard dropdown menu it must come from the dvd box. You can't just put anything in there. | | | Pete |
| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,033 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Is that anywhere on the DVD box? I just looked at the cover at dvdempire... and I didn't see it anywhere on the front or back scans... and per rules if you use anything not in the standard dropdown menu it must come from the dvd box. You can't just put anything in there. No, I didn't see it anywhere on the box either (haven't looked at the actual box just front images online), but I meant it more as my opinion on what the edition would be. I certainly won't be downloading an update that includes Blu-ray(tm) + DVD + Digital Copy(tm) I just checked Amazon though and they call it a 4 Disc Edition, of course UP which is the same thing is a 4 Disc Combo Pack. But the Edition doesn't actually need to come from the case. The rules say if it's a non-standard edition take it from the DVD box. So why can't Combo Pack (as an example) be the standard edition for blu-ray/dvd combo packs? Then it doesn't need to be on the box. Ken could add it to the drop down as well in which case it is "usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate" -Agrare |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | That would be up to Ken if he wanted to adopt such a standard and add it to the program. And let us know (whether through rules update or post in the forum) to do that before we could start using something like that. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: Is that anywhere on the DVD box? I just looked at the cover at dvdempire... and I didn't see it anywhere on the front or back scans... and per rules if you use anything not in the standard dropdown menu it must come from the dvd box. You can't just put anything in there.
No, I didn't see it anywhere on the box either (haven't looked at the actual box just front images online), but I meant it more as my opinion on what the edition would be. I certainly won't be downloading an update that includes Blu-ray(tm) + DVD + Digital Copy(tm)
I just checked Amazon though and they call it a 4 Disc Edition, of course UP which is the same thing is a 4 Disc Combo Pack. But the Edition doesn't actually need to come from the case. The rules say if it's a non-standard edition take it from the DVD box. So why can't Combo Pack (as an example) be the standard edition for blu-ray/dvd combo packs? Then it doesn't need to be on the box. Ken could add it to the drop down as well in which case it is "usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate"
-Agrare I agree with pete, on this issue your opinion is for now outside of the Rules by a LONG way and as such is a local only decision. Other than that I don't know what my opinion is. I can see both sides, and neither one seems to really take a "stronger" position than the other in my mind. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote: neither one seems to really take a "stronger" position than the other in my mind.
Good thing you've got these poll results as a tiebreaker, then. |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | In my opinion this does not belong into the edition field.
cheers Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| Registered: September 29, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote: If anything were to be used as an edition i would think it should be Combo Pack, 4 Disc Edition, or 4 Disc Combo Pack
That's what these releases seem to be called for the most part.
plus why include the TM after blu-ray but not after Digital Copy?
-Agrare Sorry about that. I didn't see the TM after Digital Copy. I'll resubmit. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT. FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that. Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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