Quoting mreeder50:

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Come on gang, if the online DB is opened up to whatever branch someone wants, it would become virtually useless in a short period of time. Remember, with all the layouts, reports and plugins available you have the ability to make your local DB do or be whatever you want. We need to keep the online locked down or pretty soon it wouldn't be worth having. This is our hobby and I can assure you, I really don't want what makes the most sense for you, I want what makes sense to me and that is my local. Honestly, most of the time you guys act like a bunch of 1st graders who just had their candy stolen. Move along, there's nothing to see here. Sorry for the rant.

Personally scott, much as I hate the thought of it because of the potential ramifications, the only way to stop these kind of discussions i with Open Crew creds. No more arguments no more debates over to be or not to be, see it in the Credit list and list it. This brings its own type of problems and issues, and even nightmares...but at least there would be no more Shakespearean arguing.

Skip

If I am contributing a profile I usually fill in the Crew data - which can be difficult/confusing at times. I follow the rules as best I can and change data if I make a mistake.

The interesting thing is I very seldom ever actually look up or use the Crew data that is in DVDP - I really don't care that much about most of it.

Usually I want to know something that I can not find in my database, all the films of a particular actor for example. When I want that data, I go to...are you ready for it?...IMDb!

Quoting scotthm:

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Quoting mreeder50:

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This is our hobby and I can assure you, I really don't want what makes the most sense for you, I want what makes sense to me and that is my local.

That's all well and good, but unless the Rules allow the online to reflect what most people would like in their local DBs, more and more people will eventually stop contributing because what they have locally will no longer conform to the Rules.  Then how useful will the online be?

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BTW Scott, that simply is not correct. The Online does not serve MOST users, it serves ALL users and as such it, of necessity must contain information which is specific to no one's individual wishes, that is why we have the ability to customize our local databases, that is the database that serves your precise needs, the Online cannot and should not be. I am not interested in scott's Db and I presume he is not interested in Skip's DB. We can both operate off the same Online but our Dbs are likely very different, as we each probably have completely different tastes in the handling of the data.

Skip

Scott:

That term is very subjective, what is relevant to you may not be relevant to me or someone else. I will ALWAYS try to search for a way to include something which may be of interest to you, if it can be done without undermining the system. But all I can then do is support the idea, Ken has to implement it or modify the Program or Rules as necessary. Take for example the Open Crew Cred concept, in order for that to work, we as users would also need to be able accept what specific Crew data we would want from a Complete Crew Listing that someone submitted. you might be interested in Gaffers and i might care less.

Skip

I think a simple addition of "Supervising = Lead" or something like that in terms of the Crew Table would probably solve quite a few of these sticky situations because I've seen this almost exact thread pop up a good 3-4 times in the last year. But since updating the rules is like pulling teeth, I still would try to contribute it and explain in the contribution notes what you're doing. Let the screeners decide. Using the crew table contents only would be all well and good if we could actually get said obviously equivalent credits included in the table, but it seems silly to not include this particular entry.

I'm not advocating open credits btw, I just feel that instances like this should be self-explanatory and people can use their "common sense" () which people hate to hear so much around here.

Quoting scotthm:

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Any system will be imperfect and dissatisfy some users.  I fail to understand why "Lead Art Director" should be excluded while allowing "Supervising Art Director" and "Art Director".  It's bad enough that many people can't tell the difference between cast and crew (Including those writing the Rules. Puppeteers, anyone?), but with open crew credits there would be endless debates about what broad category a credit falls into (e.g. would "Special Photographic Effects" fall under Art or Cinematography?)

The DVDP users interested enough to contribute and participate in the forums will never be satisfied with the Rules and the OnLine DB.

I don't think anybody said 'Lead Art Director' should be excluded.  What has been said is that, per the rules, it isn't allowed.  Should it be, probably, but that doesn't change the fact that it isn't.

Personally, I don't care either way as it is one of those niche credits that few people really care about.

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