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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
You have that correct, pal. Wwe have no provision for Special X Effects, the prefix is another story Is there something in the rules that supports this claim? Or is this another of your "I know the intent" insider knowledge things? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was surprised to see this contribution resubmitted after it was declined. It seems clear to me that " Robotics Special Effects Supervisor" does not fit into the role of Visual Effects. Robotics surely is a practical effect, not a visual one. The reason I hesitated before was that I mistakenly thought the role was Special Effects, in which case the Robotics prefix might possibly be acceptable (although I'm not sure even then).  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You have a reading comprehension problem Gunnar? The Blu-Ray version of the title with the SAME data was approved in accord with the Rules. Special Effects are allowed per the Crew Chart, Don't ivote against the rules. But you don't surprise me.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my opinion, without a rules addendum, the Robotics prefix is not listed in the rules. Therefore, the Blu-Ray version contribution was incorrectly accepted by the screeners and needs to be fixed. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy on that you and I disagree, but the Blu-ray was approved with the very SAME data. this is not about that this is about two users who have chosen to ignore the Special Effects Supervisor that is listed in the rules because they think Special Effects are not a part of Visual effects even the Rules clearly allow it.
Now while you and I disagree, kathy, as you know, I am honest with my data and my notes, I do not hide my data withoput informing everyone exactly what the rEAL credits. I do not like some users are doing load and ADR Supervisor under Sound only to have someone else have to remove it when discovered because he was dishonest in disclosing the relevant data. The screeners had comp[lete information, and votes and made their decision based on complete infromation and votes but that is not good enough fior YOU. So now we have correct data in some and incomplate data in others....good idea....NOT!!!!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | In theory I agree with you, my problem is that I do not see "Robotics Special Effects Supervisor" listed in the rules.
Special Effects Supervisor and Robotics Special Effects Supervisor might be the same thing but then what would we do about...Miniature Special Effects Supervisor?...Computer Special Effects Supervisor? etc.
Without a rules update or clarification, this acceptance of one of these Crew members would give credence to the acceptance of any or all of the rest.
There will always be differences of opinion as so many of our polls have shown. I will listen to the thoughts of others, especially to those whose opinions differ from mine, keeping an open mind. But. in the end, we can only contribute and vote according to our own understanding of the rules.
Edit: One other thought/question. Should "Special Effects Crew" be allowed? I ran into this on one of my contributions and withdrew it after discussing it with a few people. If so, why? If not, why not?
Clarification to the Edit: The heading was exactly this: "Special Effects Crew" with a group of people listed underneath. I received no votes and pms that because of the addition of the word "Crew" this group of people was not to be contributed because it is not specifically listed in the rules chart. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Miniature SPECIAL EFFECTS Suprvisor, Computer SPECIAL EFFECTS Suprvisor should be approved..
Just Robotics SES was approved on the Blu-Ray, they are SES. The screeners had the information and the NO vote which failed to follow the Rules and it was approved, there was nothing hidden from them, Invelos has spoken.
Differences of opinion are fine Kathy and i let the screeners decide (and they decided), my problem is with the two users that completely blew off the rules while trying to create THEIR definition of Visual Effects despite what the Rule says.
Your edit is not real clear what you mean. If you mean people labeled Special Effects, I can't imagine why not. No different fro Make-Up Artist, Art Director, etc. Other than that Speial Effects are allowed per the Crew Table.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Your edit is not real clear what you mean. If you mean people labeled Special Effects, I can't imagine why not. No different fro Make-Up Artist, Art Director, etc. Other than that Speial Effects are allowed per the Crew Table. The were labeled "Special Effects Crew". I now understand where Kathy is coming from on this... According to the chart, the only credits allowed are: Visual Effects; Digital Effects; Special Effects; Special Visual Effects; Visual Effects Designer; Visual Effects Supervisor; Visual Effects Director; Digital Effects Designer; Digital Effects Supervisor; Digital Effects Director; Special Effects Designer; Special Effects Supervisor; Special Effects Director; Special Visual Effects Designer; Special Visual Effects Supervisor & Special Visual Effects Director. There is no mention of a prefix or a sufix. However, if Robotics Special Effects Supervisor is allowed, because 'robotics' is a prefix, wouldn't Special Effects Crew be allowed as well, because 'crew' is a sufix? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would say yes, Martian. Just as I noted, in that PARTICULAR regard, the CREW is not really terribly relevant as data, very non-specific, so just Special Effects and that is no different from Make-Up Artist, Costume Designer, Art Director, etc. So i would have to vote YES to that.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | If that is the case, then why include 'Designer, Supervisor, and Director'? If any suffix...crew, animator, rigging, artist, painter, foreman, etc....were allowed, why list three specific ones? The only logical reason I can think of is that only people listed with those exact roles are allowed. Curse you Kathy for making me rethink my position on this.  Just kidding.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand, Martian. But there is NO WAY possible to create any kind of list including Prefixes (I don't see suffixes as really relevant) that would not cause issues, which prefix do we not allow, when another new one is found. that is why I see SES, the prefix is kind of air. I think Suffixes will be nebulous things like Crew. But at least we aren't playing the game which was played by two users which ignored the Rules altogether, while they both tried to insert their own definition. Would a simple statement of Prefix SES be enough. Unlike some users i do not go looking for reasons to exclude particular pieces of data for whatever reason, I MIGHT see a Prefix that would change my mind, but I doubt it, same probably for a suffix. Most movies are going to just say Special Effects and not add Crew and i don't think the addition is significant.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If that is the case, then why include 'Designer, Supervisor, and Director'? If any suffix...crew, animator, rigging, artist, painter, foreman, etc....were allowed, why list three specific ones? The only logical reason I can think of is that only people listed with those exact roles are allowed.
Curse you Kathy for making me rethink my position on this.
Just kidding.  I know what you mean - it is enough to make the brain hurt! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
You have a reading comprehension problem Gunnar? The Blu-Ray version of the title with the SAME data was approved in accord with the Rules. Special Effects are allowed per the Crew Chart, Don't ivote against the rules. But you don't surprise me.
Skip And you don't surprise me, either. You just can't answer without being rude, can you? And I'm equally not surprised that you don't comment the facts that I argue. The role is Visual Effects. By your standard any Special Effects would be included, even Audio Special Effects, if there was such a title. Any prefix, right? And if one contribution was accepted and one was declined, then one decision is right and one is wrong. But what's to say that the first one is the one that's right? How often have we not seen incorrect contributions being approved? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | When the Rules say that Special Effects are allowed, Gunnar and you agree with someone who simply wants to create his own definition of what Visual Effects are, itgnoring the Rules. Then what am i tto think. At least Kathy had a reason which was rational even though I didn't agree with it..
Gunnar, I have sevral possibilities here none of them are terribly complimentary. As I said the user you agreed with completely ignored the crew chart and tried to apply HIS deinition to support his No Vote and you agreed with him. Should I quote you, I can. I find ignoring the Rules to be equally insulting and rude, Gunnar.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
And I'm equally not surprised that you don't comment the facts that I argue. The role is Visual Effects. By your standard any Special Effects would be included, even Audio Special Effects, if there was such a title. Any prefix, right? These are 'art' credits so, in my opinion, they have to be visual. I do, however, see where you are coming from and it gives me pause. If the only thing that matters is the main credit, and any prefix is allowed, we water down the value of the data.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are plenty of discs with bad data that got accepted. That isn't a reason to spread it. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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