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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting widescreenforever:
Quote: was doing some editing on Sideways and found Thomas /Haden/ Church.. looked into this unusual last name and found on Wikipedia the following quote: He was raised under his stepfather's surname, "Quesada", and later changed his surname to "Haden Church" (both names are in his family tree) . I then changed my edition of Sideways (024543175858) to Thomas /Haden Church., there are a dozen false entries in the data base of Haden being his middle name.. I don't have time to change the vast majority of these today, ( this post would be quicker for all you owners to look into your own data) and make he necessary changes to the others or maybe not .. discussion? Not to put a damper on this, but the wiki article is full of errors. First it claims he was born in Yolo, California on June 17, 1960. While there was a person with that name born there on that date, I see nothing to prove they are the same person...but let's ignore that for now.
One of their references, number 3, links to an E! profile that says he was born in 1961, not 1960. Red flag number one.
Another reference, number 4, links to a biography at Filmreference.com. That biography says he was born March 31, 1960, in El Paso, Texas. Red flag number two.
Another reference, number 9, links to an article titled "FEARnet Goes to Church for Zombie Roadkill." Note it says 'Church', not 'Haden Church'. Red flag number three.
The biggest red flag, for me at least, is the sentence that reads, "Church later took a break from films and relocated back to his native Texas." Now, many of you from across the pond and The Great White North may not understand this but, you can't go back to your native Texas if you weren't born in Texas.
Beyond all of those doubts, Church has a wife. Her name, according to everything I have found, is Mia Church. If his last name was 'Haden Church', wouldn't her's be as well? While it is possible, I guess, I have yet to hear of a woman taking only half of her husband's name.
Edit: I see a lot has gone on while I was doing my own research. Neither have I, but I won't Rule it out. That is after all HER choice. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: If that is true, which I don't think it is, Tim. Then I have to ask the question, why is parsing so important. I think I know what the answer is going to be, but i will wait and see.
So...why is parsing so all-fired important?
Skip Program features: Name linking "Peruse your collection with ease"Cast and Crew tables sort by surnameDisplay option for "last, first middle" | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: If that is true, which I don't think it is, Tim. Then I have to ask the question, why is parsing so important. I think I know what the answer is going to be, but i will wait and see.
So...why is parsing so all-fired important?
Skip Program features:
Name linking "Peruse your collection with ease"----Yeah right. Except that the system is broken. Cast and Crew tables sort by surname---LOCAL issue Display option for "last, first middle" ----Also Local issue Try again and answer the question | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: Your justification doesn't wash, Rho. Want to try again.
Skip So parsing is not important for you. But as I have explained, it is important for me as long as we have those three fields. WHY? Forget the fields that's is BS for justification. Why is it important to you.
Skip Why should I forget the fields? They are there. And why is that BS justification? When I have fields with semantic, I want to use them the way they are designed. Otherwise we should get rid of the fields. For some people it seems also important to be able to sort the names by last name which would be impossible if the name is not parsed correctly. BTW the correct semantics of those fields is more important for me than perfect linking. But linking is still possible with correct field usage, it just may take longer to be established. BTW2 Invelos could as well improve linking by ignoring parsing instead of going to a single name field. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: ----Also Local issue Try again and answer the question So your position is that we should manually comb through the cast/crew of every movie and make sure parsing is correct, then lock the profile? Not all of us are retired. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Edit: I see a lot has gone on while I was doing my own research. But a fine job it was and very informative. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: Your justification doesn't wash, Rho. Want to try again.
Skip So parsing is not important for you. But as I have explained, it is important for me as long as we have those three fields. WHY? Forget the fields that's is BS for justification. Why is it important to you.
Skip Why should I forget the fields? They are there. And why is that BS justification? When I have fields with semantic, I want to use them the way they are designed. Otherwise we should get rid of the fields. For some people it seems also important to be able to sort the names by last name which would be impossible if the name is not parsed correctly.
BTW the correct semantics of those fields is more important for me than perfect linking. But linking is still possible with correct field usage, it just may take longer to be established.
BTW2 Invelos could as well improve linking by ignoring parsing instead of going to a single name field. Because you are not explaining WHY you believe parsing to be important, Rho. You are hiding behind an excuse, because you either don't have an argument for parsing or you simply don't want to say it. What is the relevance of 1/2/3 versus1//23? Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
What is the relevance of 1/2/3 versus1//23?
Skip In the first example the last name is 3 and in the second example the last name is 23. This is relevant data for various minds and purposes. As have been stated two applications of this relevant data would be sorting and displaying "last name, first name middle name". But the mere fact to know somebody's last name is relevant for me. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: If I remember, I'll phone the London office of the agency he's signed to tomorrow. So much easier. This is getting more ridiculous by the minute - apparently we can't solve ANY parsing debate without contacting the person's agency... If that is true, which I don't think it is, Tim. Then I have to ask the question, why is parsing so important. I think I know what the answer is going to be, but i will wait and see. Aside from the obvious linking problems, consistent parsing is important to me because the current mess actually hurts the ability to contribute. When four of the nine Thomas Haden Church profiles I own have him listed as T/H/C, and the other five have him listed as T//H C, then sure, I can fix half of them locally to fix it for me, but it's proven to be impossible to "correct" the half of the online profiles - no matter which parsing I choose on. I've found that there are always users that are very convinced of the opposite, even in rare cases where there's some form of "documentation" (which hardly ever exists). Again: sure, I can fix my local database so that it works for me. That really shouldn't be necessary, but still, I can get it to work. My main concern, however, is that for half of these profiles I still have to go through a horrible ordeal when I want to add or correct another piece of cast data: I have to change the parsing to what I consider to be "wrong", then make the contribution, and then change it back. I'm sorry, but that's taking the fun out of contributing for me - especially when there are five, or even a dozen actors with this same issue within a single profile. That's why I'm concerned about parsing. Is that the answer you expected? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote:
What is the relevance of 1/2/3 versus1//23?
Skip In the first example the last name is 3 and in the second example the last name is 23. This is relevant data for various minds and purposes. As have been stated two applications of this relevant data would be sorting and displaying "last name, first name middle name". But the mere fact to know somebody's last name is relevant for me. Not an explanation, Rho. I am not seeing why YOU believe parsing to be important. Are you saying because it is "coorect". Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote:
What is the relevance of 1/2/3 versus1//23?
Skip In the first example the last name is 3 and in the second example the last name is 23. This is relevant data for various minds and purposes. As have been stated two applications of this relevant data would be sorting and displaying "last name, first name middle name". But the mere fact to know somebody's last name is relevant for me. Not an explanation, Rho. I am not seeing why YOU believe parsing to be important. Are you saying because it is "coorect".
Skip How would you define "coorect"? (even without typo?) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: If I remember, I'll phone the London office of the agency he's signed to tomorrow. So much easier. This is getting more ridiculous by the minute - apparently we can't solve ANY parsing debate without contacting the person's agency... If that is true, which I don't think it is, Tim. Then I have to ask the question, why is parsing so important. I think I know what the answer is going to be, but i will wait and see. Aside from the obvious linking problems, consistent parsing is important to me because the current mess actually hurts the ability to contribute. When four of the nine Thomas Haden Church profiles I own have him listed as T/H/C, and the other five have him listed as T//H C, then sure, I can fix half of them locally to fix it for me, but it's proven to be impossible to "correct" the half of the online profiles - no matter which parsing I choose on. I've found that there are always users that are very convinced of the opposite, even in rare cases where there's some form of "documentation" (which hardly ever exists).
Again: sure, I can fix my local database so that it works for me. That really shouldn't be necessary, but still, I can get it to work. My main concern, however, is that for half of these profiles I still have to go through a horrible ordeal when I want to add or correct another piece of cast data: I have to change the parsing to what I consider to be "wrong", then make the contribution, and then change it back. I'm sorry, but that's taking the fun out of contributing for me - especially when there are five, or even a dozen actors with this same issue within a single profile. That's why I'm concerned about parsing. Is that the answer you expected? As with the common name threads, perhaps the way to go is to do parsing polls for troublesome names, pile all of the documentation into that poll (has to be a poll so that single voices don't dominate) and then in contributions, we refer to the poll. I would that that would be acceptable documentation in a contribution. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | You can accuse me of many things and you have in this thread. But in every case that has come up about parsing, i am one of the few users who will actually dive in and start researching the name(s) to see what we can learn, and i report the results.. Most of the other comments I keep seeing are guesses. Let us remember, please, that at the time HBC became an issue, it was myself that uncovered the idea of ufinding and using three "consecutive films" with ping-ponged data, while not conclusive then or now, I believe that for whatever reason the name wnet back and forth, I don't believe that it was a change by the actress in how she actually handled her name, therefore HB-C is correct. I haven't checked to see what the data looks like since then, i haven't needed to, I am satisfied with the outcome. yes, it took a little bit of creative thinking but it worked.
So try as you might to claim that i am looking for impossible documentation, such statements are outright lies.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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