It's OK James, I too have learned things and expanded my horizons in the last 5 years since the now infamous committee began. 

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I agree with hal.  This sounds like a credit you would use when adapting a play, or musical, to the big screen.  One person would rewrite the original story so that it would flow better on screen.  The writers would then base their scrip on the adaptation.

Just a guess, and it would be nice to know what title this is.

Agree with Hal and Mad Martian. "Written by" is given if the same people wrote the story and the screenplay. It appears in this case that someone took their story and adapted it to film format and then the story writers continued and wrote the screenplay. I would give OMB to the adapted credit.

From the Writers Guild screen credit policy:

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7. "Written by"

The term "Written by" is used when the writer(s) is entitled to both the "Story by" credit and the "Screenplay by" credit.

This credit shall not be granted where there is source material of a story nature. However, biographical, newspaper and other factual sources may not necessarily deprive the writer of such credit.

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10. "Adaptation by"

This credit is appropriate in certain unusual cases where a writer shapes the direction of screenplay construction without qualifying for "Screenplay by" credit. In those special cases, and only as a result of arbitration, the "Adaptation by" credit may be used.

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5. "Adaptation by"

(See Section III. A.10)

Because of the strong feeling against a multiplicity of credits, the Guild is opposed to the general use of the "Adaptation by" credit. However, the Guild recognizes that there are certain unusual cases where credit is due a writer who shapes the direction of screenplay construction without qualifying for "Screenplay by" credit. In those special cases, and only as a result of arbitration, the "Adaptation by" credit may be used.

Thanks, James. 

This information will be very useful in educating DVDP users in the meaning of the credits that they see on screen from the organization that actually controls those credits for U.S.-based films.

It's a great reference for these type of discussions.

Many thanks for the explanation Martian. 
Now I understand much better.

And I think this is really a very interesting sight of this.
It could true that the writers based on the adaption made by him, but he adapted "something" for the screen. And this "something" must be invented be invented by someone. This one would be the OMB-credit imho. (if listed in credits, of course)
In OMB is "original", so I would not give the person who overworked something an OMB-credit.

Perhaps not the best English and grammar in my explanation,  but I still hope my sight on this issue also gets clearer. 

Maybe we need an "Adapted by" opition right under "created by".

Actually the easiest answer for ALL of these problems is for us to simply be able to list the data as we see it On Screen, then we don't have to worry about WGA, DGA, British definitions or anything else. We don't have to worry about whether some oddball credit fits or not, we see it, we type it. That is the best answer. We have it to some degree now, the sad part is that there are few users that make use of their notes to Communicate that data with everyone, else, many of us seem to be interested in one thing....as few keystrokes as they can get away with and definitely not communicating clearly and completely with their fellow users (this covers a whole host of sins). I make use of the custom crediting ability to record the ACTUALcredit, I believe that James does as well, how many of us actually will, however, then type that information into their notes. The end result being we wind up with data that later has to be removed by SOMEBODY because they have typed in a whole bunch of Editors that do not fit the system, or they are entering 2nd Unit/Location people, or as one user has developed a real bent for doing completely corrupting the Writing credits of nearly every Contribution he makes, incorrectly re-ordering or recently trying to call A Based on the Novel by as Story By.<shakes head>

Btw Rick, I take exception to characterization of the Rules Committee, vehemently. I didn't see YOU trying to do anything in that regard or anyone else.

Skip

Skip, I agree, that this would solve such problems and stop this discussions. (Adding all as written on screen)

But this would imho not be much user-friendly. (Much more work to create a profile)
On the actual credits, Profiler lists, many users can imagine what they do, but do they also with the complete accurate crew credits?

Does a "normal" user really want to have all the complete job credits? Just look in how much different Visual Effects credits are possible:
www.visualeffectssociety.com/system/files/15/files/titles-release.pdf
Does the normal user really know the difference of all of them?
I think the solution Invelos made is very good. There are some main cast credits in which some jobs are joined.

For all that want more information and the accurate credit is the possibilty of entering them as custom crew. (Perhaps there is a possibility to share with other users that want it that definite?)

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Skip, I agree, that this would solve such problems and stop this discussions. (Adding all as written on screen)

But this would imho not be much user-friendly. (Much more work to create a profile)
On the actual credits, Profiler lists, many users can imagine what they do, but do they also with the complete accurate crew credits?

Does a "normal" user really want to have all the complete job credits? Just look in how much different Visual Effects credits are possible:
www.visualeffectssociety.com/system/files/15/files/titles-release.pdf
Does the normal user really know the difference of all of them?
I think the solution Invelos made is very good. There are some main cast credits in which some jobs are joined.

For all that want more information and the accurate credit is the possibilty of entering them as custom crew. (Perhaps there is a possibility to share with other users that want it that definite?)

I understand all of those ramifications, trust me, they give me nightmares.     BUT I am desperate to stop the endless back and forth coupled inanity and back-handed insults that usually accompany them as they have here. I keep having visions of somebody somewhere listing ALL of the credits for LOTR BUT even so, I still think it's the best answer and I would couple it to a way for users to be able to pick and choose exactly which Crew data they wanted to be a part of their database. The good news despite all of the nightmares, it would elevate Profiler to a whole new level of accuracy, that i don't think has been matched by anybody. Now back to my nightmares.

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James:

You claim that it is OMB. If your basis is the WGA, then like I said we don't use the WGA. As I said an argument can be made on many things, this way, that way or something else. but here's the FACTS for you, nowhere do we have any sort of Adapted  credit listed in the Rules, nowhere. There fore at this time we don't use Adapted in any form. IF Ken wants to put them in the list somewhere, fine by me, I think I would list them unto themselves, as opposed to OMB or something else, simply because there are too many possible meanings such as what started this discussion Adapted From versus Adapted BY or Adapted for the Screen By. I think i would simply call it Adapted and then, under the current system, list the Actual Credit.

Skip

It doesn't have to be in the rules chart. There are no roles listed for OMB.