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| Registered: May 17, 2007 |  Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just checked the law and I was not absolutely correct, but unrated movies are for adults only in Germany, that's right. They are NOT automatically indexed, but the can be put on the index. So every label tries to apply for an age rating if it wants to release an movie and nearly every known movie has an rating in Germany. If there is no rating, the label knows, that the movie would get an SPIO/JK rating and that would mean, that the movie probably will be put on index or even banned. So they don't even try to apply for a rating. So it happened to Ilsa  I know, law sucks... | | | | Last edited: by MassL |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
Wow, that is amazing. The reason why I said that it's hard to believe is that there are probably thousands of new DVDs released every year. It doesn't seem possible that any government agency will have enough staff or funds to review every single DVD and assign a rating. I am as amazed as you are...especially when you consider the fact that some countries rate the entire release, not just the feature, but the special features as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: April 9, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 858 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
Wow, that is amazing. The reason why I said that it's hard to believe is that there are probably thousands of new DVDs released every year. It doesn't seem possible that any government agency will have enough staff or funds to review every single DVD and assign a rating. The FSK inspectors don't get paid for their work: Quoting Wikipedia: Quote:
Over 190 inspectors work for the FSK on a voluntary, unpaid basis. They are appointed by the movie and video industry and the public authorities for three years, and must have experience in dealing with children and minors or have similar factual knowledge of psychology or media studies. The inspectors may not be employed by the movie or video industry, to avoid biased decisions. Therefore when appointing inspectors, importance is attached to the fact that these inspectors should come from different occupational fields and social classes. The government agency BPjM is only "responsible for examining media works allegedly harmful to young people and entering these onto an official list" (cf. Wikipedia). | | |
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| | Registered: May 17, 2007 | | Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Muckl: Quote:
Quoting xradman:
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Wow, that is amazing. The reason why I said that it's hard to believe is that there are probably thousands of new DVDs released every year. It doesn't seem possible that any government agency will have enough staff or funds to review every single DVD and assign a rating.
The FSK inspectors don't get paid for their work:
Quoting Wikipedia:
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Over 190 inspectors work for the FSK on a voluntary, unpaid basis. They are appointed by the movie and video industry and the public authorities for three years, and must have experience in dealing with children and minors or have similar factual knowledge of psychology or media studies. The inspectors may not be employed by the movie or video industry, to avoid biased decisions. Therefore when appointing inspectors, importance is attached to the fact that these inspectors should come from different occupational fields and social classes.
The government agency BPjM is only "responsible for examining media works allegedly harmful to young people and entering these onto an official list" (cf. Wikipedia). But you have to consider, that NOT the BPjM gives the ratings, it just checks which DVD is not appropriate to children and which contains strong violence, porn etc. There are many laws, which have to considered and then they have to put the movie on index or ban it completely if it violates one of these laws. But just movies with an SPIO/JK rating, an old FSK18 rating or without any rating can be put on index or can be banned. The labels actually have to apply for an age rating at the FSK and if it's too hard (e.g. too much violence) it gets no rating from FSK, but from SPIO/JK. Often the movie will be put on index, if it gets this rating. | | | | Last edited: by MassL |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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So Not Rated = Adults Only is far from true. For German law it is. Not rated is "not controlled", so it is just allowed to sell to adults, no showing in selling rooms, no advertisment, ... No matter what kind of movie. Strange, but law is sometimes strange. Reason I think is to protect childs and teens. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting xradman:
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Wow, that is amazing. The reason why I said that it's hard to believe is that there are probably thousands of new DVDs released every year. It doesn't seem possible that any government agency will have enough staff or funds to review every single DVD and assign a rating.
I am as amazed as you are...especially when you consider the fact that some countries rate the entire release, not just the feature, but the special features as well. I don't see why you'd be so amazed. It's the same in an awful lot of countries including here in the UK. Everything released here on DVD has to be rated, except for a few titles that are allowed to be classed Exempt as long as they fit the criteria. In fact, I think the US is in the minority by making ratings optional. Quote:
Maybe it's just me, but when I see 'Adult', I don't think porn, I think 'not for children'. Are there different levels of 'adult' material? Sure there are but, in my opinion, anything that is not suitable for children is, by definition, 'adult'. That's an incredibly vague definition and would apply to most R rated films. Do you think that films like Halloween, The Exorcist and Evil Dead should be given "Adult" as a genre? I agree with AESP that we need a better system for indentifying what you would consider "porn" DVDs. It's ridiculous that films like Thriller, Ilsa, Destricted and Salo should be lumped in with DVDs like Girls Gone Wild etc. I think the first step is to rename the genre "Adult" to "Pornography" (as a suggestion) and to actually put a strict definition of the "Adult" rating into the rules. It seems to me that in this case the screeners are wanting to use the "adult" rating as way to control access to what they would consider "risqué" covers, but the rating is supposed to represent the content not the packaging. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I don't see why you'd be so amazed. It's the same in an awful lot of countries including here in the UK. Everything released here on DVD has to be rated, except for a few titles that are allowed to be classed Exempt as long as they fit the criteria. In fact, I think the US is in the minority by making ratings optional. Because, as xradman pointed out, with the many thousands of releases every year, it seems like an awful lot of work. Quote:
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Maybe it's just me, but when I see 'Adult', I don't think porn, I think 'not for children'. Are there different levels of 'adult' material? Sure there are but, in my opinion, anything that is not suitable for children is, by definition, 'adult'.
That's an incredibly vague definition and would apply to most R rated films. Do you think that films like Halloween, The Exorcist and Evil Dead should be given "Adult" as a genre? I expected my statement to be taken in the context of this thread...which was adult features without a rating. Clearly I was mistaken. The three movies you mentioned, while not aimed at children, can be viewed by children. Based on what I have read, Ilsa can't. Quote:
I agree with AESP that we need a better system for indentifying what you would consider "porn" DVDs. It's ridiculous that films like Thriller, Ilsa, Destricted and Salo should be lumped in with DVDs like Girls Gone Wild etc.
I think the first step is to rename the genre "Adult" to "Pornography" (as a suggestion) and to actually put a strict definition of the "Adult" rating into the rules. While you may not like it, these films contain adult content so, at least as far as US standards are concerned, have to be marked that way. Quote:
It seems to me that in this case the screeners are wanting to use the "adult" rating as way to control access to what they would consider "risqué" covers, but the rating is supposed to represent the content not the packaging. We are talking about the genre, not the rating as the film in question is unrated. That being said, my guess is that Ken, and the screeners, are attempting to cover their butts based on the laws of the country in which they live. When I go into a video store, that sells these kinds of DVDs, they are always located in the 'Adult' section and the covers are always covered. The reality of the situation is that Ken lives in a country where the word 'porno', in the movie title Zack and Miri Make a Porno, was controversial and had to be removed from some advertisements. Some theaters wouldn't ever show the film. Ken has to do what Ken has to do and I don't blame him one bit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | _______Waste of my time____________ | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | We don't need a definition of adult here.
The only question that needs to be answered is "Do we want this title/profile to be shown in any public listing?". Or only after a warning, of the type we get about accepting images when we compare profiles? | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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Is there nudity on the cover? If yes, I would guess that's the reason why the screeners see it as Adult/Porno and not as unrated.
Never had this problem, so I've got no hint how to get it through as unrated. 
It can be submitted as unrated with an adult genre. The confusion came in, at least I think this is where it came in, is that the German translation has 'porn' in place of 'adult'. Forgive my ignorance, but isn't there a German word for 'adult' that could have been used instead?  But the not rated and the adult rating don't have a difference imho. So why ask the screeners for the Adult (Porno) rating? |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MassL: Quote:
Now I recontributed the profile (by adding "Porno" to genre) and it was accepted... strange, because the sequels are not rated either and don't have "adult" (or "Porno") added. So are there new rules or noobs@work?  I mean, if a movie is not rated, the movie is automatically only for adult or am I wrong? With which rating? Porno? Or Spio/JK od. ungeprüft? | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
Quoting MassL:
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Okay, then the law in America is another. In Germany every movie, which has been not rated, is automatically indexed by law and for adults only, no matter what kind of movie it is.
But still the question, why the other contributions were accepted...
From a practical point of view, I find that hard to believe. That means every movie ever made that is available in Germany has been rated or it's indexed??? Not completely correct. There are two rating types in Germany: FSK rating and SPIO/JK rating. FSK rated movies are allowed to sell to the rated age, allowed to show in selling room, advertisment allowed, ... Spio/JK rated movies are just allowed to sell to adult, no showing in selling room, no advertisment, ... Not rated movies are not automatically indexed. They have the same restrictions as SPIO/JK rated movies, but if they're against law and would get indexed the release company gets disciplinaries. That's why it's hard to get not rated movies in Germany. (Just porn movies are most times not rated) |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MassL: Quote:
... But just movies with an SPIO/JK rating, an old FSK18 rating or without any rating can be put on index or can be banned.
... I don't think so. In general all movies could get banned or indexed. But I also never heard about an movie with less than FSK 18 that get banned/indexed. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Muckl: Quote:
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The FSK inspectors don't get paid for their work:
... But the "company" FSK gets financed by the rated movies (also from Wikipedia): Quote:
Die FSK ist finanziell autonom und finanziert ihre Arbeit durch Gebühren, die für jeden geprüften Medienträger erhoben werden. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | _______Waste of my time____________ | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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When I go into a video store, that sells these kinds of DVDs, they are always located in the 'Adult' section and the covers are always covered.
Miss this yesterday. Are you serious? Those dvd are place with all the others dvd where I live. Except for the XXX movies no movie is hidden here (you can't find them in the regular store anyway, the only exception I've seen is the hardcore version of Caligula that is always placed with the others drama dvd in our regular dvd stores). Maybe we are more liberal or we are more "perverted" here  I have to agree with AESP_pres, I have never seen any non-XXX DVDs covered in Buffalo. We have a lot of stores that specialize in XXX films and the DVDs aren't covered there either! |
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