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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
...I guess it depends on how much you trust other users. Sure, I could profile every movie myself, but then what is the point of the user built database? Somewhere we have to allow for trust. My thoughts exactly. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then lets talk about trust. Someone ignored the rules and entered data outside the rules. Someone discovered it and brought it here, according to the poll 85% of the vote agrees that it is outside the rules. Why did it get accepted to begin with, I would guess the users notes were unclear or incomplete regarding that entry and people trusted him to enter the data correctly. Trust deserved...not my call. I recently caught someone throwing in an ubdocumented BY and I was the lone no vote...why is that without any documentation at all...is that users trusting, or being blind to a major error. Who knows, I can't speak for those that voted yes. It did make me sad.
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 |  Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | But my point is, copying etc is allowed and is accepted blah blah and you can sit here all day and argue the for's and against's blah blah blah....
What I am saying is that somehow it would be good if we could all get together and decide the basic cast/crew per movie and publish that somewhere.
Sure there are going to be discrepancies due to different types of releases, different localities, whatever...
Sure there are going to always be arguments over particular points on particular profiles here and there...
But if we could somehow have a basic list most people tick as correct then at least when people who want to copy from existing upc's or where ever for whatever profile upc, at least we can say "Hey! If you want to copy the cast/crew lists then take it from 'here' as this is basically right" Add the usual 'you really need to double check this against the credits on your copy, but this is basically correct' |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | For me, parsec. Basically correct is just not good enough | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
For me, parsec. Basically correct is just not good enough But it's a million times better then leaving people to copy their cast and crew lists from existing upc's that are basically wrong! By basically, I mean the main cast/crew - as you and others have said, there's always a possibility of a couple of differences in some cases. | | | | Last edited: by Parsec |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
What I am saying is that somehow it would be good if we could all get together and decide the basic cast/crew per movie and publish that somewhere.
We just did. Although I guess the project is in limbo until we get some definitve feedback from Invelos. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
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...I guess it depends on how much you trust other users. Sure, I could profile every movie myself, but then what is the point of the user built database? Somewhere we have to allow for trust.
My thoughts exactly. Yes, to a certain degree I agree with you both. If a profile is created from scratch by someone then I accept it. If someone makes a change to a profile because they've spotted an error or added something new...I accept it. But, and here's where I think laziness comes into play, if someone blindly copies a profile from another location and can't be bothered to check it for accuracy against their own disc (knowing that discs can vary across regions) then that is laziness and should not be accepted. Surely, if all the work is done, users can spare twenty minutes or so to check the cast/crew/data against their disc? It's not that hard! That way, they will be able to spot immediately if the data is likely to have come from the disc or IMDB. Too many users want to take from the database and spout the old chestnut about 'trusting other users', because this is a user built database...but they seem to forget that unless the users actually build the damned thing they'll have nothing to take. We actually have to contribute full profiles to the database or this program won't be worth a pile of poo! |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I started to write, and then erased, my comments because this cloning issue has been discussed so many times I find it tiresome as well as being off topic. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I find it tiresome As do I with the attitude of users who take and contribute nothing. Love you Kathy; but not your view on this one topic! But hey, we can't all agree on everything!     |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
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I find it tiresome
As do I with the attitude of users who take and contribute nothing.
Love you Kathy; but not your view on this one topic! But hey, we can't all agree on everything!
I agree with you Pantheon, I find it hard to agree with the takers, they preach on how it should be done, what should be included, but do not practice what they preach. I have no problem with others trusting and accepted contributions, I'm to cynical I check everything. But I still make mistakes. |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
To stay on-topic. Funny is the fact that in some cases the prefixes in job titles doesn't seem to matter and in this case it does? The only thing I know for sure is that the rules tell us to include Visual Effects Supervisors. The prefix always matters as it indicates what type of visual effects are being credited. In this case, the word 'Development' seems to indicate that it was a pre-production credit rather than an actual visual effects credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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