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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
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The rules tell us exactly what to list:
List the Studios in the following priority.
Theatrical Release Studio(s)
Production Company(s)
Nothing else. It does not tell us to list the theatrical distributor. What is so hard to understand?
Please define Theatrical Release Studio(s) for me. Is it in the rules? Is WB not a Theatrical Release Studio? I have provided the explanation in detail and the answers. This is yet another case if users deciding something is not clear when it is. How do they make believe it is not clear, with mud and refusal to listen. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
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The rules tell us exactly what to list:
List the Studios in the following priority.
Theatrical Release Studio(s)
Production Company(s)
Nothing else. It does not tell us to list the theatrical distributor. What is so hard to understand?
Please define Theatrical Release Studio(s) for me. Is it in the rules? Is WB not a Theatrical Release Studio? It's simple. Oriion owns the picture. WB distributes it to the theaters. WB didn't make it, nor do they own it. Nothing unusual about it. Here in Sweden for example all Twentieth Century Fox Pictures are released thru Svensk Filmindustri, which only means they distributed it. They had nothing to do with the making of the film. But they do put their fancy logo up on the screen so you need to know a bit about how these things work, it's not just copy and paste. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Am trying to be nice and help. I am getting the usual bull, the answer had been provided, I am out before I get angry at the....no don't say it skip. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
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The rules tell us exactly what to list:
List the Studios in the following priority.
Theatrical Release Studio(s)
Production Company(s)
Nothing else. It does not tell us to list the theatrical distributor. What is so hard to understand?
Please define Theatrical Release Studio(s) for me. Is it in the rules? Is WB not a Theatrical Release Studio?
It's simple. Oriion owns the picture. WB distributes it to the theaters. WB didn't make it, nor do they own it. Nothing unusual about it. Here in Sweden for example all Twentieth Century Fox Pictures are released thru Svensk Filmindustri, which only means they distributed it. They had nothing to do with the making of the film. But they do put their fancy logo up on the screen so you need to know a bit about how these things work, it's not just copy and paste. Yes Kino you do need to know how it works and you clearly don't my friend. Exactly what dud you do in designing the rules anything or nothing. The rule is clear, you just don't want it to be and you are inventing straw arguments. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
Quote:
The rules tell us exactly what to list:
List the Studios in the following priority.
Theatrical Release Studio(s)
Production Company(s)
Nothing else. It does not tell us to list the theatrical distributor. What is so hard to understand?
Please define Theatrical Release Studio(s) for me. Is it in the rules? Is WB not a Theatrical Release Studio?
It's simple. Oriion owns the picture. WB distributes it to the theaters. WB didn't make it, nor do they own it. Nothing unusual about it. Here in Sweden for example all Twentieth Century Fox Pictures are released thru Svensk Filmindustri, which only means they distributed it. They had nothing to do with the making of the film. But they do put their fancy logo up on the screen so you need to know a bit about how these things work, it's not just copy and paste. I'm familiar with the situation, but the rules do not say NOT to include it, and WB is a Theatrical Studio. If I was going to side with it, I'd probably agree with your assessment. I love this part from the rules "and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Contributions forum." I guess that part should be removed! | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Am trying to be nice and help. I am getting the usual bull, the answer had been provided, I am out before I get angry at the....no don't say it skip. If this is your idea of being nice, please don't bother. You were not nice in the slightest since your first post. You were rude and condescending. Here is your first post: Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
This is like claiming turner is the producing studio of gwtw. Orion does not exist anymore, Warner owns the catalog, that does.not change that Orion produced the movie. Note for those wondering MGM produced gwtw in 1949, years before turner ever existed. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | The forums is a place to ask questions and hopefully get answers. But, so far this thread hasn't helped my understanding of the issue at all.
In fact, it seems to me, this section of the rules needs to be simplified or updated so that it is more easily understood. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Yes Kino you do need to know how it works and you clearly don't my friend. Exactly what dud you do in designing the rules anything or nothing. The rule is clear, you just don't want it to be and you are inventing straw arguments. So you're saying because WB is ONLY the distributor, but also happens to be a studio, it should be listed? Whereas in this thread you claimed that since BV is ONLY a distributor, and not a studio, it shouldn't be listed? Yet WB did not produce the film anymore than BV produces Disney films. I'm sorry but I don't see the logic in that. Do you want us to base our credits on what kind of companies they are rather than what function they actually performed? | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy
It idhard to simplify something that had may be 12 words in it. It is insanely simplet like media companies used to be simple, you were among those whoclaimed it was not simple and now look, it makes no sense and it is many times larger than it needs to be. What I see is people want to claim its too hard to figure out, and the n fontwant to listen . You have your POV, I have mine, and mine is at least as legitimate as yours, I would argue more so because my involvement was a good bit more intimate than you or anyone else save for one other. You want your pov acknowledged....maybe you should...never mind. Preaching to a wall | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kino
Your last post displays exactly the kind of knowledge that you think you have and don't. Let me ask you a simple question who is bv and why. Dont drag warner or anyone else in because they have an entirely different relationship.
Who is bv and why | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 523 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
The forums is a place to ask questions and hopefully get answers. But, so far this thread hasn't helped my understanding of the issue at all.
In fact, it seems to me, this section of the rules needs to be simplified or updated so that it is more easily understood. Perhaps we should start a thread that lists all the things in the Rules that everyone does actually agree on? Might be a bit lonely in there though. I've just had a look through all the various fields and I'm not sure there're any that I haven't seen some sort of disagreement or confusion over in the little time I've been here. That does suggest to me that the Rules really do need a good going over. Trying to paper over the cracks with pages and pages of postings every time there's an issue really doesn't seem a very efficient way to do things, especially considering how often they lead nowhere and end up annyoing or frustrating people. It's like watching a small child stick it's finger in an electic socket, get a shock, scream and cry, but then do it again, and again, and again. Haven't we learnt anything yet? Whatever the intent of the Rules, if they aren't clear to most people then they aren't described effectively. Deck chairs and the Titanic come to mind.  | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Kino
Your last post displays exactly the kind of knowledge that you think you have and don't. Let me ask you a simple question who is bv and why. Dont drag warner or anyone else in because they have an entirely different relationship.
Who is bv and why Regarding Buena Vista functioning as a theatrical film distributor. It displays nothing of my knowledge since it refers to your own post. This is from your post: Quote:
Theatrical Release STUDIO...DISTRIBUTION Company, not even CLOSE. We are not after the Theatrical distributor, there will be occasions when say Warner Bros is ONLY the Distributor, not often, but it does happen. Take for example, the people who erroneously list Turner Entertainment as a Production company for Gone with the Wind. Turner is currently the OWNER of the film, the film was made in 1939, Turner didn't exist until the 1980s, they had NOTHING to do with the production of the movie, their logo appearance on the film means NOTHING. What is the difference between BV and WB in this case? They both function as distributors for films made by other studios. Is it because of the word "studio" in the rules? It would seem more logical to me if we listed both or none when they perform the same function as a distributor. To list only one of them based on the corporate structure of the company is not my idea of a good, clean rule. But if this is what people want, sure then I'm fine with it. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Lol spiky. I understand, I will go no further than that however. I am weary of people making claims about the rules being unclear and try to help and get shot st, then have to listen to people lacking any background claim that they KNOW what they don't. Like I said , my ftirnd, I have read and reread the rules hundreds.of times from original conception. To today. I see people claiming lack of clarity and its not there, I think they want to create lack of clarity and understanding, my opinion. Largely brought on because such things usually involve the sane small batch of users. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kino
You continue to show me that you don't understand. My comments regarding bv still stand but there is background that I possess. BV is not like wb, they only distribute films for a single company. They have never distributed for anyone else. Why, who are they. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Kino
You continue to show me that you don't understand. My comments regarding bv still stand but there is background that I possess. BV is not like wb, they only distribute films for a single company. They have never distributed for anyone else. Why, who are they. So the form of company is the determining factor, not the function they perform? Because looking at it, I see: Orion makes a picture. WB distributes it to theaters. Disney makes a picture. BV distributes it to theaters. The only difference here is that WB also produces their own films (but they did not produce this one). Is that what you mean? | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
This is like claiming turner is the producing studio of gwtw. Orion does not exist anymore, Warner owns the catalog, that does.not change that Orion produced the movie. Note for those wondering MGM produced gwtw in 1949, years before turner ever existed. 1939  |
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