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Kathy:

You quoted the rule and then I think deliberately completely misinterpreted it.

Well quote the exact part for us please!

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Now come on, Kathy, you are stretching for that one. Like I said if what you say is correct anyone listed after cast is cast, accountants, caterer, gaffers and all other data.

Context is everything. If the film has "accountants, caterer, gaffers and all other data" performing in the cast, they would be cast. If not = crew. Pretty simple.

Also, if we're going to include "additional voices" (which are usually listed separately from the main cast list) as cast, we can surely include basketball players who actually appear on-screen, especially since even uncredited basketball players could be listed as well. Makes no sense to exclude credited basketball players.

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Now come on, Kathy, you are stretching for that one. Like I said if what you say is correct anyone listed after cast is cast, accountants, caterer, gaffers and all other data.

Context is everything. If the film has "accountants, caterer, gaffers and all other data" performing in the cast, they would be cast. If not = crew. Pretty simple.

Also, if we're going to include "additional voices" (which are usually listed separately from the main cast list) as cast, we can surely include basketball players who actually appear on-screen, especially since even uncredited basketball players could be listed as well. Makes no sense to exclude credited basketball players.

And upon what basis can you make that determination, James. The data is in the crew section not cast, so how do you KNOW they are cast.

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Now come on, Kathy, you are stretching for that one. Like I said if what you say is correct anyone listed after cast is cast, accountants, caterer, gaffers and all other data.

Context is everything. If the film has "accountants, caterer, gaffers and all other data" performing in the cast, they would be cast. If not = crew. Pretty simple.

Also, if we're going to include "additioional voices" (which are usually listed separately from the main cast list) as cast, we can surely include basketball players who actually appear on-screen, especially since even uncredited basketball players could be listed as well. Makes no sense to exclude credited basketball players.

I said the same thing about additional voices which are separated from the cast, but are thrown into crew. What makes them cast, if they were cast they would be listed with cast

I know they are allowed, and it is one of those ken things that makes no sense. If we can just decide this bunch of data is actually cast, then all crew is basically cast ad well or most of it anyway.

Slow it down a little please, I want to see everything and address as needed.  It takes me a bit on this thing.

Can they be listed? Yes.
Should they be listed? I probably wouldn't bother.

I haven't seen this film, but hypothetically speaking I have watched it and I saw, lets say, ten basketball players playing basketball for a couple of minutes in the film. In the most ideal situation I even recognize the actors playing those players. In the end credits I don't see them listed directly under the Cast heading but later on after the sound credits. In your reasoning I'm not allowed to add them. The only option would be as uncredited but then the actual credits are contradicting this. Can you see where I'm going?

I can also see what you mean because who can tell that it isn't crew? We all know that real basketball players aren't needed for producing the film but the actors playing the basketball players are. In that sense it's a gray area. Like I said before, the other solution would be to credit them as uncredited but that makes no sense when they are credited but not in the usual way.

Would I add them myself? Probably not. Would I vote against? No.

You are all wrong (with the exception of Skip). It's obvious that these basketball players were not part of the movie, but rather hired to entertain the cast and crew between takes.

It is clear they should be crew only, and since we don't have an entry for "basketball players", you can only keep them local, Sam. Anything else you are just shoehorning in data that doesn't belong. Read the rules, people. They are very clear on this.

KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT, SKIP!