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Anamorphic on Blu-ray/DVD Combo Sets. To tick or not to tick, that is the question |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
I use an external scaler and it needs to be set to anamorphic for all Blu-Ray's so far. So based on that I'd say all Blu-Rays are anamorphic. No, all BD are 16x9 native. Your scaler mislabels this as anamorphic which was a trick to put 16x9-material from a DVD that has the native format of 4x3 through. The trick only really worked (meaning: enhanced picture quality) for CRT-TVs and do, at best, nothing on pixel-based LCDs, LEDs or plasmas. Theoretically BDs could carry anamorphic material, but they wouldn't gain but in fact lose picture quality that way. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki | | | | Last edited: by Mithi |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | If we aren't supposed to check anamorphic, why does the program give us the option? It disables it on blu-rays and HD DVDs, but adds it back if DVD is also checked. That seems like a good sign we are supposed to use it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
If we aren't supposed to check anamorphic, why does the program give us the option? It disables it on blu-rays and HD DVDs, but adds it back if DVD is also checked. That seems like a good sign we are supposed to use it. I think it was a lack of foresight, by clicking DVD it opens up the option. I certainly wouldn't assume that because the option is there that it should be used. There was a thread made in the features request forum, hopefully Ken will fix it on the next update. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | (edited after seeing responses in the feature request forum thread) Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
If we aren't supposed to check anamorphic, why does the program give us the option? It disables it on blu-rays and HD DVDs, but adds it back if DVD is also checked. That seems like a good sign we are supposed to use it. It could be appropriate IMO to use on 'flipper' combo's. That mostly happened with the HD DVD and the DVD version pressed on either side of one single disk. As reported only a few (very very few?) flippers of BluRay and DVD exist. So, this would be an exception for a very few profiles. But with BluRay and DVD combo's for all practical purposes existing of a separate BluRay and a separate DVD disk, the specifics of the DVD disk shouldn't appear in the profile of the MAIN media type disk. Mind you, it is an interpretation of the current box-set rule part: Quote:
Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile. Note it speaks of 'HD media' not 'HD media disk'. So if you read it also as the 'HD media side' then there is no excuse left to keep DVD specific attributes in the main profile. Or altogether different 'compositions' with different audio/subtitles/features etc. on the DVD for that matter. And as doubledownAgain wrote, I think it is an oversight. If not, it would be nice if Invelos/Ken jumped in... | | | Eric
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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If we aren't supposed to check anamorphic, why does the program give us the option? It disables it on blu-rays and HD DVDs, but adds it back if DVD is also checked. That seems like a good sign we are supposed to use it.
I think it was a lack of foresight, by clicking DVD it opens up the option. I certainly wouldn't assume that because the option is there that it should be used. Indeed. The options are triggered by the selection of the DVD media type. I have to believe that it was just an oversight and something that ended up being handled by the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
If we aren't supposed to check anamorphic, why does the program give us the option? It disables it on blu-rays and HD DVDs, but adds it back if DVD is also checked. That seems like a good sign we are supposed to use it. Ace You can read the rules can you not. Just follow them. You can tick the box all you want locally, that might be why ken allowed it in the program...just for people like you. The rule is very clear. Your argument on this sounds like a very similar rationalization you used in a genre argument way back when and that all boiled down to not caring that the data was already properly populated YOU wanted it to be something else. You can do that locally and be my guest. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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If we aren't supposed to check anamorphic, why does the program give us the option? It disables it on blu-rays and HD DVDs, but adds it back if DVD is also checked. That seems like a good sign we are supposed to use it.
Ace
You can read the rules can you not. Just follow them. You can tick the box all you want locally, that might be why ken allowed it in the program...just for people like you. The rule is very clear.
Your argument on this sounds like a very similar rationalization you used in a genre argument way back when and that all boiled down to not caring that the data was already properly populated YOU wanted it to be something else. You can do that locally and be my guest. Actually the rule is NOT very clear at all. I was one of the people happily ticking this box on combo packs for the very same reasoning Ace details: if the box becomes available it probably means we should use it. However, when it was pointed out that the rules state the main profile should be for the principal format I stopped doing this. But, the rules are not clear - and the forum muddies it even more. What should be on the main profile? What should be included from the DVD? I've been told by some to include ALL extras from ALL discs in the main profile; but other people say to ONLY include the BD extras. This part of the rules is not clear and to be so condescending and patronising in your tone Skip just pisses people like me off. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | FWIW I am in the 'use it' camp... not just because we are allowed to but because the DVD child profile is supposed to be optional.
Given it is optional it may not be in the database, or may not be downloaded by those who don't use child profiles, so logically I think the Anamorphic box should be ticked in the main (possibly only) profile as it provides data about the DVD.
Since it's obvious that BDs aren't/cannot be Anamorphic there can be no cause for confusion; if it's ticked it must mean it's referring to the DVD, so, to me, there is no downside to ticking it where appropriate for the DVD and there is an upside in that it provides more information. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
... But, the rules are not clear - and the forum muddies it even more. What should be on the main profile? What should be included from the DVD? I've been told by some to include ALL extras from ALL discs in the main profile; but other people say to ONLY include the BD extras.
This part of the rules is not clear and to be so condescending and patronising in your tone Skip just pisses people like me off. This merits IMO a separate discussion. When it comes to 'anamorphic' and 'NTSC/PAL' we are specifically talking about technical characteristics of a DVD only, as these are simply irrelevant for HD media. If the DVD is important for you in the package, then by all means describe it in a DVD child profile (at present such a child profile is optional...). But for the contentwise extra's I think it is a different beast. I've seen combo's with barebone BR3D and featurettes splattered over the BR2D and DVD, the latter containing other documentaries than the first. Personally I'd opt for child profiles because this allows for the most correct description in a profile. But also on contentwise extra's, let's keep it grounded. Rereading the scanned back cover gives usually more insight in what is on which disk than just a couple of check boxes crossed or not. | | | Eric
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| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | This issue is not clear and a case can be made for either side.
Invelos needs to step up to the plate and settle the matter. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | |  wow | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I decided to go through this thread and see how clear the issue is:
Tick box?
Yes: 4
No: 5
Other: 4 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see your counting game, Kathy. I am just shocked, I can read the rule what about it is unclear, how can you make an argument fro both sides. This is one rule that is completely clear, I hsve seen you make this kind of claim before and I have come to a conclusion, but I font see it as unclear at all. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip - based on this thread I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that you don't see that the rule is not as clear as you make it out to be.
But, I'm not going to waste my time trying to get you to see a point of view that differs from yours.
If you are truly interested, I suggest you read the posts in this thread that discusses those points.
My point is that, based on this thread, there is not a consensus on this issue and invelos could easily step in and clarify the matter. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile. Kathy What is unclear here. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see a problem, but it is not with understanding what is written. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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