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| Registered: May 18, 2007 |  Posts: 41 |
| | Posted: | | | | We all know how blu-ray presents its content: 1.78.1. The only information that matters is the content aspect ratio. So the options "full frame" and "widescreen" could be omitted for blu-ray without loss of information.
This applies to DVD, too, however, in addition to the aspect ratio also the "anamorphic" option should be maintained as anamorphic mastering significantly enhances image quality on 16:9 displays that are now standard. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Konrad: Quote:
We all know how blu-ray presents its content: 1.78.1. The only information that matters is the content aspect ratio. So the options "full frame" and "widescreen" could be omitted for blu-ray without loss of information. ... Maybe, but... "full frame" to me refers to the content aspect ratio, IOW vertical black bars on a widescreen TV fed by a BluRay playback. So, if you'd like to omit it, how do you describe it? We already have tick boxes for widescreen, widescreen 16x9 enhanced (AKA anamorphic) and fullscreen. AND we have, separately, the free format aspect ratio which duplicates the tick boxes in part. So if we are to reform this along the lines of technical aspect ratio and content aspect ratio, what would be the proposal? As outlined before, I'd like to know what size & position of black bars I'll be looking at. But I am not interested in the fine art of distinguishing between 1:2.39 of 1:2.40 and similar. BTW -- but a bit of a topic extension -- I would like an indication of subtitles are properly aligned on the black bars or, even in a 1:2.40 movie, are aligned on top of the content area. Perhaps not too interesting for those localities where people only experience movies in their own tongue but a huge one for countries (like mine) where subtitles are commonplace except for kiddy movies. | | | Eric
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 41 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote:
"full frame" to me refers to the content aspect ratio, IOW vertical black bars on a widescreen TV fed by a BluRay playback. So, if you'd like to omit it, how do you describe it?
We already have tick boxes for widescreen, widescreen 16x9 enhanced (AKA anamorphic) and fullscreen. AND we have, separately, the free format aspect ratio which duplicates the tick boxes in part. So if we are to reform this along the lines of technical aspect ratio and content aspect ratio, what would be the proposal? As outlined before, I'd like to know what size & position of black bars I'll be looking at. But I am not interested in the fine art of distinguishing between 1:2.39 of 1:2.40 and similar.
BTW -- but a bit of a topic extension -- I would like an indication of subtitles are properly aligned on the black bars or, even in a 1:2.40 movie, are aligned on top of the content area. Perhaps not too interesting for those localities where people only experience movies in their own tongue but a huge one for countries (like mine) where subtitles are commonplace except for kiddy movies. I think 1.33:1 suffices for description. If you know that a blu-ray has this content aspect ratio you also know that it cannot be displayed any other way than with black bars to the left and the right of the image. This would apply to all aspect ratios narrower than 1.78:1. For aspect ratios wider than 1.78:1 black bars will have to be on top and bottom of the screen (with the possible exception of 1.85:1 where the bars might not be visible at all due to overscan). So "full frame" and "widescreen" are not needed as long as information on the content aspect ratio is given. I am totally with you regarding the fine art of distinguishing between aspect ratios of 2.39 and 2.40, actually not even between 2.35 and 2.40, but for people with constant height projections that information might be valuable. As is the information regarding location of the subtitles. | | | | Last edited: by Konrad |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Fullscreen and Widescreen check boxes are still useful for releases that contain both the 1.33:1 and widescreen versions on the same disc. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 41 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
The Fullscreen and Widescreen check boxes are still useful for releases that contain both the 1.33:1 and widescreen versions on the same disc. Valid argument! I own a box set with 3 mid/end fifties films OAR 1.33:1 that were reformatted for the blu-ray release to screen-filling 1.78:1. A purist's nightmare but that's what they did and both versions are on the same disc. You are right fullscreen and widescreen are helpful in such cases. | | | | Last edited: by Konrad |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Konrad,
Following your own logic I think this'd rather call for an "alternate aspect ratio" text field, perhaps with an accompanying tick box for "original movie aspect ratio", and not the mishmash of current fullscreen and widescreen tick boxes. Only practical problem might be that the original movie aspect ratio is not data usually provided on the cover or disk content.
Would still require a tickbox (or radio buttons?) for large/small horizontal bars if the aspect ratio is 1:2 or beyond. | | | Eric
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 41 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote:
Konrad,
Following your own logic I think this'd rather call for an "alternate aspect ratio" text field, perhaps with an accompanying tick box for "original movie aspect ratio", and not the mishmash of current fullscreen and widescreen tick boxes. Only practical problem might be that the original movie aspect ratio is not data usually provided on the cover or disk content.
Would still require a tickbox (or radio buttons?) for large/small horizontal bars if the aspect ratio is 1:2 or beyond. Yes, you are right, that's what I immediately thought myself but then I thought the changes would be too radical. A checkbox for OAR would be great but it requires research on the part of the contributors. I don't think a checkbox for scope (wider than 1.85:1) is needed. Aspect ratio tells that already. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Konrad: Quote:
... I don't think a checkbox for scope (wider than 1.85:1) is needed. Aspect ratio tells that already. Well, the same 1:2.35 movie produces huge black bars on widescreen (left alone 4:3 TV...) when non-anamorphic and significantly smaller ones when anamorphically coded (or on BluRay). that is where the tick box would be for. | | | Eric
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 41 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote:
Well, the same 1:2.35 movie produces huge black bars on widescreen (left alone 4:3 TV...) when non-anamorphic and significantly smaller ones when anamorphically coded (or on BluRay). that is where the tick box would be for. On blu-ray the bars for 2.35:1 will always be the same size. For DVD I already said the anamorphic checkbox would have to be maintained. BTW on anamorphic DVD bars are the same size as on blu-ray. On non-anamorphic DVD they will also be same size when watched with the TV set to letterbox mode. | | | | Last edited: by Konrad |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Konrad: Quote:
On non-anamorphic DVD they will also be same size when watched with the TV set to letterbox mode. This has not been my experience. To get the same size bars, I have to zoom or stretch the video image. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 41 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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On non-anamorphic DVD they will also be same size when watched with the TV set to letterbox mode.
This has not been my experience. To get the same size bars, I have to zoom or stretch the video image. It depends on the terms the TV uses. It has been a while since I have watched non-anamorphic DVD for the last time. On my Sony the mode is indeed called "Zoom" in which non-anamorphic widescreen material can be watched in the proper aspect ratio, the mode for anamorphic DVD and blu-ray is called "Wide". This has nothing to do with the Database of course, I just wanted to express that the size of the bars can vary depending on the viewing mode and the display device, but should be the same on widescreen TVs with the proper.viewing mode set. |
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