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2.4 vs 2.40
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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That doesn't make any sense. There are lots of profiles with various non-standard ratios. And if the intent was that only standard ratios should be used, how come you can enter them, and you obviously can contribute them.

Here are the number of non-standard entries in my collection:
1.18 - 1
1.19 - 1
1.3 - 1
1.37 - 19
1.49 - 1
1.55 - 1
1.56 - 1
1.61 - 1
1.73 - 1
1.74 - 2
1.75 - 13
1.77 - 27
1.79 - 1
1.96 - 1
2.00 - 7
2.10 - 1
2.21 - 1
2.30 - 5
2.39 - 14
2.4 - 3
2.55 - 26
2.75 - 2
2.76 - 2
2.89 - 2

Are we supposed to think that all these were approved by mistake?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDoubleDownAgain
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Here are my non-standard ARs:

1.31 - 1
1.37 - 4
1.77 - 10
2.20 - 9
2.30 - 2
2.38 - 1
2.39 - 10
2.4 - 4
2.55 - 5
2.75 - 1
2.89 - 1

I haven't edited them so they had to come from the online.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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As I said... I remembered people contributing them... but that don't make it any less against the rules as they are written.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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This is one instance where the intent of the box weighs clearly against that interpretation of the rule.  There are only two drop downs that allow you to overtype the pre-listed info. This one and the edition field.

If the intent was to not allow the submission of non listed ratios it would clearly be blocked like the rest.
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Could simply be so people can do as they wish locally. All I can go by is what the rules state (or any clarification Ken makes/has made?) for contributions and votes. As is right now it is against the rules to put anything other then from the drop down menu for contributions.

Of course if Ken wants to change that rule or say differently here on the forum that is fine by me.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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I would have thought that if this was what Ken intended, the rule would have read "Use drop down list only..."

A clarification would be nice! Zombie, zombie, zombie!
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I never try to "think" what the "intent" may be... No one can say what is in someone's mind. All I can go by is exactly what the rules states and/or any clarifications/comments he makes. But the rules saying Use the Ratio drop down list to enter the aspect ratio of the main feature seems pretty clear to me. If it is not in the list provided then you are not using the drop-down list.

In other words... the word "only" don't need to be used since it is already telling you to use the list provided.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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I realise none of the below is going to make you change your mind because you see this as a totally black and white situation.

The problem is that many of the 'rules' were written when they were called guidelines and not rules. What didn't happen when the title was changed was a thorough revision that looked out for potential issues like this one.

We've ended up on the flip side of the coin, where we had people dismissing things as only guidelines we now have a too strict adherence even when there is clear leeway in an individual field.

If this was meant to allow people to have something locally but not submit it then why doesn't evey other 'locked' drop down behave in the same way, e.g. audio should be a free format field to allow people to have languages not covered locally? Or why had Ken specifically addressed adding extra items to those locked drop downs but not this one?
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Changed the wording: "Use the Ratio drop down list/edit box to enter the aspect ratio of the main feature."  Hope this clarifies things.
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Thanks Ken 
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Quoting Lithurge:
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The problem is that many of the 'rules' were written when they were called guidelines and not rules. What didn't happen when the title was changed was a thorough revision that looked out for potential issues like this one.

Actually, that's exactly what happened.  The problem, which is a normal one, is that you can't look out for every potential issue.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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Thanks Ken.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Actually, that's exactly what happened.  The problem, which is a normal one, is that you can't look out for every potential issue.


Trust me having written key features and policy conditions for a living at one point I understand that one. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I never try to "think" what the "intent" may be... No one can say what is in someone's mind. All I can go by is exactly what the rules states and/or any clarifications/comments he makes. But the rules saying Use the Ratio drop down list to enter the aspect ratio of the main feature seems pretty clear to me. If it is not in the list provided then you are not using the drop-down list.

In other words... the word "only" don't need to be used since it is already telling you to use the list provided.

Well, I do sometimes "think" what the "intent" may be. Not for the purpose of contributing, but for the purpose of discussion. And if it wasn't for this discussion, we wouldn't have gotten Ken's clarification and modification of the rule. So it seems like thinking may be a good thing now and then...
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While we're on the subject of aspect ratio, here's a nice primer on the history I came across today:

http://gizmodo.com/how-aspect-ratios-have-changed-over-time-because-of-mov-592442723
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