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Media company names: SF (Svensk Filmindustri) |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
Quoting Kulju:
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Quoting iPatsa:
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No, I'm saying follow the rules and use the name from the logo.
Rules doesn't say that, because that would be moronic.
I'm sorry but the rules say exactly that. No they doesn't. Show me the part of rules that say that we MUST take the MC from company logo. You seem to excel in dodging questions. I've asked some and you've answered none. That is something that Skippo used to do and I'm glad that he has left the forums. Please answer: 1. If the back cover contains text "Distributed by Future Film" and above that text there is a logo, in your opinion, we should enter "FF" as a MC? 2. If the back cover contains text "Distributed by Finnkino" and above that text there is a logo, in your opinion, we should enter "F" as a MC? 3. If the back cover contains text "Distributed by Suomen Filmiteollisuus" and above that text there is a logo, in your opinion, we should enter "SF" as a MC? Hey, wait, SF was Svensk Filmindustri, or was it? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
But in this case it is incorrect data. The logo on opening credits is a theatrical distributor, not DVD/BD distributor. Seriously, this cannot be that hard. If the back cover stands "Distributed by SF Film Finland" we enter "SF Film" to MC field. Extremely simple. How do you know that? Svensk Filmindustri is a theatrical distributor, publisher and DVD distributor and they use their logo for every one of those functions. Exactly the same logo afaik. If they published the media they must be listed as a media company no matter who the distributor is. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
No they doesn't. Show me the part of rules that say that we MUST take the MC from company logo. You seem to excel in dodging questions. I've asked some and you've answered none. That is something that Skippo used to do and I'm glad that he has left the forums. Please answer:
1. If the back cover contains text "Distributed by Future Film" and above that text there is a logo, in your opinion, we should enter "FF" as a MC?
2. If the back cover contains text "Distributed by Finnkino" and above that text there is a logo, in your opinion, we should enter "F" as a MC?
3. If the back cover contains text "Distributed by Suomen Filmiteollisuus" and above that text there is a logo, in your opinion, we should enter "SF" as a MC?
Hey, wait, SF was Svensk Filmindustri, or was it? I don't know how this even relates to the discussion. When the logo and the text are refering to the same company it doesn't matter where you take the info. But since there is a note against using abbreviations in the rules I usually prefer to use the full company name, or whatever is the most established such as BBC even though it's technically an abbreviation. There is a possible conflict between two rules here so it's not exactly clear. But if the logo and company name doesn't match, I would take the name from the logo because that's what the rule tells me to do. But as we have seen, it's quite possible that both the publisher and distributor should be listed and in those cases there is no conflict, other than what you try to create. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
No they doesn't. Show me the part of rules that say that we MUST take the MC from company logo. Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
When the logo and the text are refering to the same company it doesn't matter where you take the info. First you say that we must take MC from the logo, and now you say it doesn't matter where you take the info. So which one is it? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
How do you know that? As I've told several time in Finnish releases the back cover say "Distributed/Marketing SF Film Finland". Quote:
If they published the media they must be listed as a media company no matter who the distributor is. So in your opinion: Publisher: Svensk Filmindustri Distributor: SF Film ? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
But in this case it is incorrect data. The logo on opening credits is a theatrical distributor, not DVD/BD distributor. Seriously, this cannot be that hard. If the back cover stands "Distributed by SF Film Finland" we enter "SF Film" to MC field. Extremely simple. My comment has nothing to do with this case, it was a response to the post that suggested that, according to the rules, the primary source for the MC is the case. That suggestion was incorrect. According to the rules, whenever possible, all data must come from the actual disc. While there are some exceptions spelled out in the rules, the MC isn't one of them. Most US releases will have the distributor on the actual disc...USHE, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, etc....will all have a splash screen that plays as soon as you put the disc in the player. If this does not happen for Finnish releases then, clearly, that data can't come from the actual disc and must come from the case. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
My comment has nothing to do with this case, it was a response to the post that suggested that, according to the rules, the primary source for the MC is the case. That suggestion was incorrect. According to the rules, whenever possible, all data must come from the actual disc. While there are some exceptions spelled out in the rules, the MC isn't one of them.
Most US releases will have the distributor on the actual disc...USHE, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, etc....will all have a splash screen that plays as soon as you put the disc in the player. If this does not happen for Finnish releases then, clearly, that data can't come from the actual disc and must come from the case. I have no problem taking the MC from the disc if we KNOW that it's actually MC, not the theatrical distributor. Some discs contain this info, some doesn't. My problem is that iPatsa is claiming that we MUST take the MC from LOGO, which is not true and would lead to ridiculous entries like "F", "FF" etc. IFF this would be true, we couldn't separate for example Suomen Filmiteollisuus (logotext = SF) and Svensk Filmindustri (Logotext = SF). | | | | Last edited: by Kulju |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting iPatsa:
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How do you know that?
As I've told several time in Finnish releases the back cover say "Distributed/Marketing SF Film Finland".
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If they published the media they must be listed as a media company no matter who the distributor is.
So in your opinion:
Publisher: Svensk Filmindustri
Distributor: SF Film
? In my opinion? No, again. Read the rules. Both the publisher and distributor should be listed in the profile. It's not MY opinion but whoever wrote the rules. I'm just trying to follow the rules as they are written. It's only when there is doubt about the relationship between these "companies" that we are supposed to make certain exceptions, namely: Quote:
Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once, using the name from the logo. List secondary publishers even if the name is similar. If you are unsure of the function performed, do not list the company.
Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules.
Omit company suffixes such as LLC, Ltd., Inc.
Omit any locality-specific suffix. e.g. Enter Paramount Home Entertainment, not Paramount Home Entertainment (UK) It's these exceptions that can cause problems because the relationship between companies using different names is not always known. I don't know what relationship SF Film has with the Swedish SF, if any, but if they are one company using "similar but different" names they can't both be listed according to the rules. In which case we have to take the name from the logo. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting iPatsa:
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When the logo and the text are refering to the same company it doesn't matter where you take the info.
First you say that we must take MC from the logo, and now you say it doesn't matter where you take the info. So which one is it? I'm saying neither. The rules tell us to take the name from the logo in certain cases. But when the (textual) name and the logo is a match it obviously doesn't matter where you take the info as long as it refers to the same company. But if you for example find SF Norge on the package and Svensk Filmindustri in the logo then you can't say that you are taking the name from the logo if you are ignoring to credit Svensk Filmindustri. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
I have no problem taking the MC from the disc if we KNOW that it's actually MC, not the theatrical distributor. Some discs contain this info, some doesn't. My problem is that iPatsa is claiming that we MUST take the MC from LOGO, which is not true and would lead to ridiculous entries like "F", "FF" etc. IFF this would be true, we couldn't separate for example Suomen Filmiteollisuus (logotext = SF) and Svensk Filmindustri (Logotext = SF). For the record, when Svensk Filmindustri uses their logo as a splash screen on disc (as often happens) they will use both the graphical symbol (a circle with the letters SF) as well as the full company name Svensk Filmindustri. And I've never said that you should abbreviate company names, in fact the rules tell us not to, only to take the name from the logo. But everything is not as clear as that as reality shows us with companies like BBC and SVT (Sveriges Television). Often the abbreviated name will be more common than the long version and I tend to go with the majority when in doubt. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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