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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting iPatsa:
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Because if it's not part of the cover we shouldn't be scanning it.
This, to me, is a key element here. Indeed: if it's not part of the packaging, then it shouldn't be seen on the cover scans. Like stickers, for instance. But this desperately needs to be scanned: it's the only thing that actually has an overview, a rating, a UPC/EAN-barcode, and so on. Since we scan it, it must be part of the packaging, but it's clearly not *just* a Digipak, or *just* a SteelBook - it's one of those with a cardboard slip. If we scan it, it must be part of the case type. I disagree. When a piece of paper attached to a digibook, it's part of the packaging. But would you call it a slip cover? The same thing with the paper backs on collectors sets. Just because it is part of the packaging does not make it a slip cover IMO And just because it is scanned it is not necessarily a slip cover. The slip cover is not an all or nothing item that says we cannot scan it without that being checked. Well that's my opinion |
| | Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
I hear you but 2/3 of the voters still disagree.
So just what kind of cover is it? Because if it's not part of the cover we shouldn't be scanning it. And if it is part of the cover, it should be so noted. Maybe custom if nothing else fits. But just ignoring it doesn't make sense, unless we really ingore all of it including scans.
Imo, slip cover is the closest thing we have of noting this correctly. It's not perfect but better than nothing. Actually nothing is better IMO. because if these are allowed to be slip covers because we don't know what to do with them, then people will be calling all packaging that have separate back slip covers just because they have documentation on them and can be separated from the packaging. I haven't looked for it, but this came up with the BoB and Pacific releases and it was decided they were not slip covers and those are a heck of a lot closer to a slip than the J type. Basically it's not a cover. It is added documentation on the product much like what is put behind box sets and Digibooks. | | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
I disagree. When a piece of paper attached to a digibook, it's part of the packaging. But would you call it a slip cover?
The same thing with the paper backs on collectors sets.
I'm not sure why you think this is relevant since the example shown is neither of these. But I agree that not everything that is attached to a cover is a slip cover. But I never said they were, just for this type we are discussing here, which apparently are even called "slips". | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Basically it's not a cover. It is added documentation on the product much like what is put behind box sets and Digibooks. It sure looks like a (partial) cover to me. Just because it doesn't cover the entire surface of the front doesn't change that. Unlike pieces of paper that are atteched to the back only. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
Quoting Scooter1836:
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Basically it's not a cover. It is added documentation on the product much like what is put behind box sets and Digibooks.
It sure looks like a (partial) cover to me. Just because it doesn't cover the entire surface of the front doesn't change that. Unlike pieces of paper that are atteched to the back only. Bu it's partial enough that it cannot stay on the packaging when unwrapped. To me a slip cover is something you can keep on the package. I hope I am saying that right It would be good if Ken or Geri could weigh in. Because overall even though many of us have opinions, we would all probably be ok with whatever the decision is. |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,723 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
It would be good if Ken or Geri could weigh in. Because overall even though many of us have opinions, we would all probably be ok with whatever the decision is. Sure, I'll happily follow any Invelos decision on the matter. Until that materialises, I'll do what the majority wants. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
Quoting Scooter1836:
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Basically it's not a cover. It is added documentation on the product much like what is put behind box sets and Digibooks.
It sure looks like a (partial) cover to me. Just because it doesn't cover the entire surface of the front doesn't change that. Unlike pieces of paper that are atteched to the back only. I agree, it does look like a partial cover, but not sure what part of it is a slip? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 553 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
This, to me, is a key element here. Indeed: if it's not part of the packaging, then it shouldn't be seen on the cover scans. Like stickers, for instance. But this desperately needs to be scanned: it's the only thing that actually has an overview, a rating, a UPC/EAN-barcode, and so on. Since we scan it, it must be part of the packaging, but it's clearly not *just* a Digipak, or *just* a SteelBook - it's one of those with a cardboard slip. If we scan it, it must be part of the case type. While it should be scanned, I wouldn't say it has to be indicated by any field in the "case type" section of the program. We've never documented those info sheets attached to backs of DVDs before. Maybe we should, but there isn't a field in the program for us to do so. Maybe "J-Sleeve" or "Info sheet" or something should be added as a check box option. Until that happens, I wouldn't bother. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote:
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This, to me, is a key element here. Indeed: if it's not part of the packaging, then it shouldn't be seen on the cover scans. Like stickers, for instance. But this desperately needs to be scanned: it's the only thing that actually has an overview, a rating, a UPC/EAN-barcode, and so on. Since we scan it, it must be part of the packaging,
While it should be scanned, Just to open another can of worms maybe we could have another poll on whether it should be scanned (specifically the partial part on the front)... I'm pretty sure the general agreement here is "Yes" as (is the general 'rule') that's how it looks on the shelf BUT I've been trying to get such a scan through the voting process a couple of times for a steelbook with a J-cover and been voted down because of "Why would you want to cover up part of the lovely collectible steelbook cover with that ugly thing" argument... and sadly, despite my contribution comments, I was turned down by the screeners because of the No(s). FWIW the title in question was the UK steelbook of The Raid (EAN 5060116727401). | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
Quoting Rizor:
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Quoting T!M:
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This, to me, is a key element here. Indeed: if it's not part of the packaging, then it shouldn't be seen on the cover scans. Like stickers, for instance. But this desperately needs to be scanned: it's the only thing that actually has an overview, a rating, a UPC/EAN-barcode, and so on. Since we scan it, it must be part of the packaging,
While it should be scanned,
Just to open another can of worms maybe we could have another poll on whether it should be scanned (specifically the partial part on the front)... I'm pretty sure the general agreement here is "Yes" as (is the general 'rule') that's how it looks on the shelf BUT I've been trying to get such a scan through the voting process a couple of times for a steelbook with a J-cover and been voted down because of "Why would you want to cover up part of the lovely collectible steelbook cover with that ugly thing" argument... and sadly, despite my contribution comments, I was turned down by the screeners because of the No(s).
FWIW the title in question was the UK steelbook of The Raid (EAN 5060116727401). I have gotten scans through with the J cover. Since scan votes are subjective, just put a note in there that the cover is required by the rules and the screeners should see it. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Since scan votes are subjective, just put a note in there that the cover is required by the rules and the screeners should see it. Where this can be found from rules? |
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