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...or am I missing something here? 

I think yes 

To answer the question, if these guys are uncredited, we have to clear the fact if the end credits are standard credits. That's the criteria - it's of no importance if the persons are credited literally, verbally or in any other form on any place within the feature: if the end credits are standard credits, they are uncredited.

I'm sorry, but that isn't the criteria and it is of great importance if the persons are credited literally.  Verbally, or in any other form, no.  But literally, most definitely yes because if a person is literally credited...meaning they have their name shown on screen...they are considered credited cast.  Whether it be in the opening credits, the end credits, or somewhere in the middle, a screen credit is a screen credit.

Since they are credited cast, and they are not listed in the end credit, by the definition in the rules, we do NOT have standard credits.

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I guess there is one other question that has to be answered...what is a credited actor?  I have always known that to mean an actor...or in the case of a documentary, a person...who has his name listed on screen identifying them. (if someone has a different definition, I would love to hear it)

Agreed on the question - it's the base to define a standard credit.

What is the cast of a documentary?

From my point of view - and that's the diffence - these should be the professionals making the doku (the interviewers, the camera man if he is visible, persons who act in little features to demonstrate a circumstance, a presenter who clears objective facts, a moderator, a narrator, etc.). I wouldn't count people who are interviewed to represent their own opinion.

My opinion bases on some documentaries, where I've seen these two groups of people credited in different sections: the makers are credited directly at the beginning of the end credits (simmilar to the cast in many movies) while the interviewed persons are credited separately - way beyond - in an extra section with is titled anything like "Thanks to..."

But I think this is subject to personal preferences and should be considered on a case to case basis from the persons contributing the profiles.

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So, if a person is credited and his name is not listed at the end of the film, we don't have 'standard' credits and, as you said, everything else seems pretty clear.

Agreed.

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So, if a person is credited and his name is not listed at the end of the film, we don't have 'standard' credits and, as you said, everything else seems pretty clear.

At least now I understand the way you approached this.

I always saw it the way, that, if there are credits with actors credited in one group, then that is to be used and everyone not shown here will not be credited.


Another example for this is Lord of the Rings, where Peter Jackson's kids are credited as Cast, but not within the section where all other cast members are listed. Instead they are mentioned somewhere in the middle between the Crew. So again, I always thought they should be "uncredited", because they are not within the section together with all other Cast members. Of course, simply saying these are no longer standard credits, since there is cast between the crew, works as well, I guess.