Correct Eric, for Crew As Credited for Crew roles only works within each category. I will confess I have run into some times when I wish I had some context relative to specific listings, but I can live with it.

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Methinks you are so eager to one-up Skip that you haven't thought out your argument so well.

Except that in the this case the role name is right there in the credits.  You don't have to use any other source!

Are you suggesting that if the role is listed in the actual credits, that it is optional to enter it into DVDP?

You're absolutely right, Hal. Obviously I misread Unicus' statement and had overlooked that the rolename was in the header.  So give me 30 lashes with that wet noodle!

I'm going to have to refrain from participating in a discussion when I clearly don't understand what's being said.  

We'll let it pass....this time! 

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There is a submission which has the cast listed using dividers. I asked Skip in a PM about it (it is one of his), since there is no rolls listed. My question was whether or not I missed the discussion and is this something we were going to do with other movies. He obviously isn't in the mood for a simple discussion so I thought I'd get some other opinions.

There was never a discussion concerning this but there should have been.  I entered stuntmen included in a cast list and I got blasted for not bringing it here first. 

That being said, if people want to go this route, it has to be included in the rules.  At the moment, the rules say to enter a role.  I know, there isn't a role listed with the name, but the rules cover that as well when they say, "If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role."  In this case, the other source would be the cast headings.

First, there are some films that don't have roles, and you'll never be able to find any source for them because they don't exist.  Adult movies is one example.

This is not one of those movies.  There are roles listed, it just happens to be in the group heading so this argument doesn't really work.

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Second, the rule is to enter the cast list "as credited" and in the order presented.  Before, we didn't have the capability to comply with that 100% if the cast was broken down on screen into labeled sections.  Now, with dividers, we do.  So, it seems to me that using dividers to create those labels is perfectly within the rules and comes under the "as credited" rule.

I said nothing about creating dividers to create labels.  I said there should be a 'role' entered. 

Yeah, and I'm talking about entering the cast and/or crew list exactly as it appears in the credits on disc.  If the cast list uses dividers ala LOTR and other films to subdivide the cast list, then that's the way they should be entered, using dividers as appropriate to label the sections.  We use the program and its features to stay as close to "as credited, as listed" as we can.  What is so hard about that?

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Instead of rolling your eyes, Unicus, perhaps you will show me where in the rules that you must enter a role.  I don't see it anwhere. The rule that says "If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source..." doesn't say you must do so.

I guess it depends on how your read it.  I read that to mean you 'may' use a source other than the film or credits...which is exactly what it says.  I says nothing about not having to enter a role. 

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How would you go about entering a role for an actor who is credited without one - and don't have any other source for the role he played?  Make one up?  Enter "actor" or "character?"

If you honestly can't find a source for the role played, then you leave it blank.  However, in this case, there are associated roles AND they were in the proper field.  Skip chose to remove them claiming they are 'dividers'.  Sorry, but no.  The rules do no say you can do that.

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Methinks you are so eager to one-up Skip that you haven't thought out your argument so well.

You think wrong.  I honestly don't care about Skip here.  It is, and always has been, about the profiles and the rules.  You and Skip are making it about Skip.

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Methinks you are so eager to one-up Skip that you haven't thought out your argument so well.

Except that in the this case the role name is right there in the credits.  You don't have to use any other source!

Are you suggesting that if the role is listed in the actual credits, that it is optional to enter it into DVDP?

You're absolutely right, Hal. Obviously I misread Unicus' statement and had overlooked that the rolename was in the header.  So give me 30 lashes with that wet noodle!

I'm going to have to refrain from participating in a discussion when I clearly don't understand what's being said.  

No worries mate.  I am not always as clear as I hope to be.