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Bladerunner: The Final Cut in December
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Swallow very hard and get ready. Star Trek: TOS Remastered: Season One (yes this is the new CGI versions) coming November 2007, HD/DVD Combo. Remastered in 4K

$217.99

<gulp>

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Some interesting news on the price. On Digital Bits today, Bill was giving a report on their trip to Comic Con, and said this about the Trek price...
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But here's what WASN'T announced during the panel, and I can understand why (because it may have started a riot among the Trek  fans in attendance): The price tag for just Season One alone is currently set to be a whopping $217, and there's no separate DVD-only release planned! No, I'm not kidding. $217 for just a single season on ten discs!! And it doesn't include the original versions of the episodes - just DVD and HD versions of the remastered episodes. Are they INSANE?!

Let me put this in further perspective for you. Later on Thursday evening, I participated in another Trek  event - the Living Long and Prospering: Celebrating 40 Years of Star Trek panel - along with Mark Altman, Jeff Bond, Robert Meyer Burnett, Anthony Pascale and Daren Dochterman. The $217 price tag, which had been uncovered by Anthony after the CBS panel, was the butt of almost continuous jokes and ribbing the entire hour. At once point, I asked the audience for a show of hands to see how many people would be interested in purchasing the set at that price. Out of the entire 500-strong audience (and keep in mind, these were not just casual Trek  fans but major Trek über-fans), just THREE people raised their hands. Just three. CBS/Paramount is going to eat this release if they stick to the $217 price tag. Given that many Trek fans already have mixed feelings about the whole Remastered  effort, $217 is just crazy - it'll be a poison pill for this release if it doesn't change between now and November. Ouch!

I know. I'm a Trek fan since - well, an episode of the original series airing - and I'm not going to pony up that money. If it was like the previous seasons I might.
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Here's what Bill at Digital Bits said about the Blade Runner discs...
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But by far the biggest response was to what came next: Charlie broke the official news on the long awaited Blade Runner: The Final Cut from Warner. He talked about the FIVE different versions of the film that will be on the release, the different versions of the release itself (2-disc, 4-disc and 5-disc DVDs, along with 5-disc Blu-ray and HD-DVD versions - extras on both high-def versions will be exactly the same - and the elaborate collector's case versions). You can find all the official details and artwork here. He then revealed that over 80 people were interviewed for the set, from Ridley Scott to virtually everyone associated with the production including Harrison Ford and all the major cast members. In terms of footage, he started by showing the Dangerous Days: Making Blade Runner trailer (which you can all see for yourselves on Disc Two of Warner's 300  DVD - it streets tomorrow).

Next, Charlie revealed that the set will also include a whopping 47 minutes worth of deleted scenes, not seen in any previous version of the film. He then proceeded to debut an exclusive clip of some of this deleted footage. Now... Todd and I had the chance to preview all 47 minutes of this deleted material on Wednesday night, before our panel, and I can tell you first-hand that you have absolutely NO IDEA just how cool this material is. It's not just 47 minutes worth of deleted material - it's like getting a 5½ th or a 6th version of the film itself. The material is all edited together chronologically, to create an encapsulated version of the story. It starts with a completely new opening credits scene and new special effects shots of the 2019 L.A. cityscape. Then you get scenes you've seen before... but it's all put together using alternate takes, different camera angles and other completely unused footage. There are also a number of true deleted scenes, including a few that no one outside the production even knew existed before. All of this is set to music from the film and newly-looped sound effects... as well as Harrison Ford's voiceover narration. But get this: This narration is a completely different take than what was in the original theatrical version of the film, and it's just totally different. Different lines, different dialogue. We think it's actually BETTER than what was ultimately used in the film!

Let me give you just a couple examples of some of the things you're going to see: Turns out Deckard had a wife, who now lives in one of the off-world colonies - you see a picture of her and Deckard together (except that, if my memory doesn't fail me, the picture is set on the same porch as Rachel's photograph of herself with her mother - consider the implications of that). There's also a brief scene, after Batty has killed Tyrell, where he gets back into the elevator and he's shaking - he's clearly disturbed at what he's just done. The elevator announces the floor in a computerized female voice, and Batty looks up at the speaker and says "Mother?" in this sort of child-like daze. Rutger Hauer's performance is just perfect. There's even two alternate endings, in which Deckard and Rachel have dialogue while driving off in Deckard's car. And this is all just scratching the surface. I'm telling you, this stuff is absolutely amazing. If you think you know everything there is to know about Blade Runner, you are in for a REAL shock. Todd and I were just stunned after we finished watching this stuff. And keep in mind, every bit of this footage was shot by Ridley Scott in his prime... so it's just gorgeous. My head is still spinning over it all.

The final bit of footage that Charlie previewed exclusively for the crowd, was a behind-the-scenes look at the infamous reshoot from earlier this year featuring Joanna Cassidy's character Zhora. Now, when news of this reshoot leaked on the Net, it sparked an outcry from fans who feared that Scott was pulling a George Lucas and drastically altering the film with all new effects or something. Turns out, nothing could be further from the truth. The Final Cut of the film itself has been edited a tiny bit, with a couple of new scenes added and a little bit of footage excised. But the new effects tweaks are very minor. For example, in many shots involving the practical, on-set Spinner, you can see the suspension cables holding it in the air. These have been removed. In a couple instances members of the camera crew were accidentally captured on the edges of the frame, so they've been removed. And there's an instance where Harrison Ford's dialogue doesn't match his lip movements on screen (a shot through the glass as he's talking to the snake dealer), so Harrison Ford's son, Ben Ford, was brought in. He was dressed in the costume and was given the same scar on his chin as his father via make-up. His face was then shot (at the correct angle, under matching lighting) reading the same lines, and his mouth and chin were inserted over his father's so the lip-synch now matches. It's absolutely seamless.

But the Zhora reshoot was what triggered the most controversy, so here's what it was about: Back in 1982, actress Joanna Cassidy wasn't allowed to do the stunt where Zhora crashes through the window panes. But if you watch the film closely, especially now in high-definition, it's painfully obvious that it's a stuntwoman in those shots. I mean, it's not even close. The woman has a bad afro-like wig on and it's bouncing around so much in those shots that it looks like Ronald McDonald going through the glass. So Cassidy was brought back in, dressed in her original costume and was given the same snake tattoo on her face. Then she was shot on a greenscreen stage, going through the same movements as the stunt woman. Her face and body angles were matched to the original stunt woman frame by frame, so they're identical. Then, Cassidy's head was digitally inserted over the stunt woman's and it was blended together, color-corrected and matched seamlessly. So now, when you see Zhora crash through the glass, it's actually Zhora all the way through. Charlie showed the behind-the-scenes at our panel, and then at the official Warner panel the next day, he showed the final shot. And again, it's amazing. The first time I saw this finished sequence a few months ago, I was actively looking for the effect... and I completely missed it. That's how good a job the CG team has done on this. It was only after going back and looking at the original shots on DVD that I realized what a big difference there was, and I was just floored.


You can read more at their site.

And for those wondering about the price of the big set?
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By the way, that amazing Blade Runner: Five-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition DVD box set (with all the badass swag items included in the briefcase) pictured above? You can pre-order it right now on Amazon.com for just $54.99 (discounted from the regular SRP of $78.92)!
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And for those wondering about the price of the big set?
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By the way, that amazing Blade Runner: Five-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition DVD box set (with all the badass swag items included in the briefcase) pictured above? You can pre-order it right now on Amazon.com for just $54.99 (discounted from the regular SRP of $78.92)!

I used their link and pre-ordered it
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I used their link and pre-ordered it


So did I .
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yep - ordered as well
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I also put myself down for this one, as I expect the German release to be significantly higher priced and probably not to be as well rounded
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Just put my name down as well....$62 incl. shipping to the UK

2 $ to the £.....bargain!!!

Now....has anyone got a profile for it?    It's just got to go in the "ordered" section!!  
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Just put my name down as well....$62 incl. shipping to the UK

2 $ to the £.....bargain!!!

Now....has anyone got a profile for it? it's just got to go in the "ordered" box!!


What will the import duty be on that I'm thinking of getting this my self and i think if it comes through Royal Mail they may hit you with an extra delivery charge as well.
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deleted, double post 
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Just put my name down as well....$62 incl. shipping to the UK

2 $ to the £.....bargain!!!

Now....has anyone got a profile for it? it's just got to go in the "ordered" box!!


What will the import duty be on that I'm thinking of getting this my self and i think if it comes through Royal Mail they may hit you with an extra delivery charge as well.


expect to pay up to 25 quid for duty & charges and you won't be shocked!! I don't mind paying the import duty & VAT, but what really pi$$es me off is the extortionate amount charged by the Royal Mail or Parcel Force. We were once stung for £13 by PF for handling a £70-worth order from the US.

On the up-side, if I understand the Amazon system correctly, the base price is now guaranteed, so I see it as a hedge against Amazon UK charging a horrendous £ amount for it. After all I can cancel the US order any time between now and early december if Amazon UK comes up with the goods.
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I don't own them, but I'm happy to wait for better prices.  Deep Space Nine is currently the only series where I felt justified spending $80-$90 per season.  I know my wife is dying to get Voyager , but we're not paying what they're currently asking.


I just spent $20 for the final season of Stargate.  I spent $50 for Battlestar Galactica.  I loved Voyager, but I can't spend $90+ for a TV series.  You Trekkies are messing this up for the rest of us. 

Just kidding...but not about spending that kind of money. 

Oh, and to get back on topic, I didn't like Bladerunner. 


!!!!  Where did you get it for $20?  Cost me $30, and that was pre-order price.
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!!!!  Where did you get it for $20?  Cost me $30, and that was pre-order price.


Fifteen quid for a whole series........daylight robbery!!!!        
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Just put my name down as well....$62 incl. shipping to the UK

What will the import duty be on that I'm thinking of getting this my self and i think if it comes through Royal Mail they may hit you with an extra delivery charge as well.


It's too low for actual import duty but you'll get VAT at 17.5% (which is also charged on the P&P), so assuming £31 that will push it up to £36.42

The Post Office will then add on £8 (it was raised to this from £4 this in, I think, April this year) for paying Customs on your behalf, so £44.42 overall.

FWIW I totally agree the £8 from the PO is what really sticks in the craw; as though they don't just get one big bill each month from Customs and pay with an electronic money transfer (or, if not, why not!) so it costs them practically nothing. With the increase in the amount of imported goods due to the Internet the price should have gone down not up!
Thank goodness anything under £18 is still exempt... but the difference if it isn't can be disgusting:

Item: £17.99, P&P: £4.01 - total cost: £22; you pay: £22
Item: £18.01, P&P: £3.99 - total cost: £22; you pay: £33.85 ... a >50% increase! 
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It's too low for actual import duty but you'll get VAT at 17.5% (which is also charged on the P&P), so assuming £31 that will push it up to £36.42:


no actually what you (we) will have to pay (if they catch the parcel) is

Customs (Import) Duty of 3.5%
VAT @ 17.5% - the VAT is charged on the value of the goods PLUS the customs duty
Administration charge of the courier

If the cost excl P&P was less than £18 then no extra charges. if more then value of goods includes P&P

so in this case $62 -> ( $62 + 3.5% ) * 1.175 + £8
  = $75.40 + £8
    = £37.13 + 8 = £45.13
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It's too low for actual import duty but you'll get VAT at 17.5% (which is also charged on the P&P), so assuming £31 that will push it up to £36.42:

no actually what you (we) will have to pay (if they catch the parcel) is

Customs (Import) Duty of 3.5%
VAT @ 17.5% - the VAT is charged on the value of the goods PLUS the customs duty
Administration charge of the courier


The Customs duty is not applicable unless the DUTY is more than £7

ie if 3.5% (in the case of DVDs) of the price is >£7 then it's payable, otherwise it's not so you'd have to buy >£200 of DVDs in one go for it to be applicable

See this FAQ on the HM Revenue and Customs site.
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It's too low for actual import duty but you'll get VAT at 17.5% (which is also charged on the P&P), so assuming £31 that will push it up to £36.42:

no actually what you (we) will have to pay (if they catch the parcel) is

Customs (Import) Duty of 3.5%
VAT @ 17.5% - the VAT is charged on the value of the goods PLUS the customs duty
Administration charge of the courier


The Customs duty is not applicable unless the DUTY is more than £7

ie if 3.5% (in the case of DVDs) of the price is >£7 then it's payable, otherwise it's not so you'd have to buy >£200 of DVDs in one go for it to be applicable

See this FAQ on the HM Revenue and Customs site.


interesting.. I'll have to recheck what UPS charged me recently on a couple of dvds. I know they messed up some of the charges because they thought $45 = 45 Euros. 

(They have refunded me for that. Eventually).
Paul
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