Dan,

Feel free to handle arrows however you like!

What bothers me is public statements like yours:

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The fact that you find it to be humorous makes me wonder if this is how you treat the women in your life.

When I show distaste, for your unfair remarks, earns me now 3 red arrows! I believe your statement was intentionally hurtful, and I am dismayed that you have supporters, in that they give arrows to me.

Sadly the arrow system IMO seems to make this place worse, some folks choose not to join discussions due to the mud slinging, some avoid conversations until it becomes to personal, and are compelled to join in. IMO this is not a very friendly place, when insinuations (re treatment of women, etc.) can be brought forth, from stupid comedic sketches. My comments here will surely gather red arrows aplenty, so be it.  I'll view it as a sign to search for friendlier climate.

Rick

And you're right - this is a seriously unfriendly place.
I'm sorely tempted at the minute to just up-sticks and go. This is meant to be a hobby, and enjoyable past time, but some users with their hateful posts, have made this a place I don't look forward to visiting anymore. 

Northbloke,

You have no right not be challenged in your positions or beliefs (or to not be offended on occasion). I haven't seen any posts that I thought were "hateful" -- there were some pretty serious shots taken by both sides but no hate. Hate is what's behind it when people commit violence or advocate it (or the like) that hasn't happened here and your elevating of the disagreements here to that level does no one any good. You have referred to people who disagree with you as "ignorant" which is seriously unfriendly in itself.

I'm sure you are quite confident in your own righteousness that any affronts you (or your allies) have committed were justified in your mind. The old expression "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" comes to mind.

Brian

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Dan,

Feel free to handle arrows however you like!

What bothers me is public statements like yours:

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The fact that you find it to be humorous makes me wonder if this is how you treat the women in your life.

When I show distaste, for your unfair remarks, earns me now 3 red arrows! I believe your statement was intentionally hurtful, and I am dismayed that you have supporters, in that they give arrows to me.

Sadly the arrow system IMO seems to make this place worse, some folks choose not to join discussions due to the mud slinging, some avoid conversations until it becomes to personal, and are compelled to join in. IMO this is not a very friendly place, when insinuations (re treatment of women, etc.) can be brought forth, from stupid comedic sketches. My comments here will surely gather red arrows aplenty, so be it.  I'll view it as a sign to search for friendlier climate.

Rick

The fact is, your public defense of these despicable videos as humor does make me wonder how you treat others in your life. How else could you see that as, I think you said, "hilarious"? I happen to have received green arrows for that post along with your red one. It seems to me that I'm not alone in my wonderment.

You claim that my words were intentionally hurtful and say that I have "supporters" as though, those who gave you red arrows weren't free thinkers. You really should stop and consider the possibility that your defense of these hideous depictions might actually be offensive to others than just myself. But, apparently, you would rather blame me for their actions. I, on the other hand, believe that freethinking individuals read this forum and three of them agree with my post.

This forum hasn't changed in the years I have been visiting here, Rick. You joined after I did but if memory serves, you were a member of the original forum (the green one with a black background), maybe that was the second, right now, I can't remember. What was that, four years ago? You were one of the guys Skip and I asked to offer an opinion on the first set of rules we wrote so, you know a lot about the "mudslinging" around here and you have you have to admit, you have thrown your fair share of it. To take the roll of the victim on this is one of your typical strategies, Rick. I have seen it before. It is also disingenuous.

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I think you said, "hilarious"?

You've attributed to me something I did not say. I've said there is a smidgen small amount of humor in it, then tried to describe why it was an attempt at humor. So you finally understand, I don't find it funny, for comedic value 1 - 10 scale, maybe a 1 or 2 max. I do not find them to be 'despicable' like you do.

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You were one of the guys Skip and I asked to offer an opinion on the first set of rules we wrote so,

This is first I've heard about this!

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The fact that you find it to be humorous makes me wonder if this is how you treat the women in your life.

Regardless the fact you would write this without knowing me, shows your character.

Rick

Quite correct, Dan. But then again situational ethics and failure to understand the concept of intellectual honsety are both items of the left side of the aisle. Case in point, the democrats have tried to make Americans believe that they side with NOW relative to women;s rights and ability to advance...but that ONLY applies if it is Democrat woman, Sarah Palin has been the subject of nothing but slander from the left since her nomination, including a rather disgusting internet ad involving children. NOW has even referred to Sarah as more a man than a woman...this from the ONE organization above all others who should at the very least be celebrating her nomination, even if they must disagree with her political philosophy, but instead they personally insult her.

If the Democrats had to try and run their campaign in this forum, with all of their various personal attacks and insulting remarks, they would have banned LONG ago. 

Skip          

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If the Democrats had to try and run their campaign in this forum, with all of their various personal attacks and insulting remarks, they would have banned LONG ago. 

and if i'm correctly informed the same can be said of the republicans

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This place is incredible. I express an opinion about the posted video and get a red arrow? This takes the cake.

That's why I post very rarely in those politic topic. The fuse is really short on those subject, whatever we say it's almost certain that someone will not agree and not agreing here means a red arrow.

It is very difficult to carry on an adult conversation with someone when they try to demonize you for your beliefs.  The Democrats in the US have used that as their standard modus operandi for so long, many of them don't even realize they do it anymore.  I make no bones about the fact that I don't like Obama or his politics, but I try to at least argue on the merits of his case.  Too bad others can't seem to do likewise.