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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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The OP showed pictures of the Original released case of Region 1 Stripes, not Region 2, 3 or 4, REGION 1. But that is not the Originally released Region 1 Disc at least not Region 1 US, I suppose it might be Region 1 Canada but that is highly unlikely.

The OP's pictures clearly show it to be a Region 2 release.
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Correct you are, james. Thanks.

And Thank you for confirming several long-held suspicions.

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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Gunnar & North:

I have a very serious question for both of you. Why do I want to answer any question either of you ask?

You obviously don't want to answer them as you've resolutely avoided answering every single question put to you! 
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And if you'd bothered to read this thread properly in the first place (too late!) you'd have noticed that I haven't asked you any questions... not that I'd trust any of your answers if I had.

And I find being told to behave by you hilarious - it's like being given etiquette guidance by a merde-flinging monkey! 

Edit: careful Skip, you've only got one red arrow left for the day... 
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OK again i think i need to clear up a few points

1] Nobody has removed the edition from the Stripes DVD (just using it as an example) as a matter of fact the Profile did not exist when i got the DVD and i created the Profile, personally i didn't use the Edition

2] The profile that did have an edition removed was Apollo 13 5035822001848 where the edition "Collector's Edition" is printed on the Disc but not the cover, twice the edition removal was voted down but this time everyone voted Yes to it's removal.

3] If you read my original post i was not asking can the edition be used (it can by the rules) but in cases like these should the edition be used, i was just trying to get peoples opinion on this but as usual the thread just got degraded into an augment about interpretation of rules

i personally believe the edition should be printed on the cover and that is should be the only place the edition should come from and was trying to find out if others agreed with this or felt that the edition could come from other places on the DVD, i have at lease one that the edition entered came from a sticker that was on the case.
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Why do I want to answer any question either of you ask?

Perhaps because that's the only way to conduct a discussion. Ignoring questions that you do not want to answer, or cannot answer, is counterproductive, and makes you sound like a politician...
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You are not interested in any answers, whether it be about Video format or this.

I am interested in answers to the questions I raise. I'm not interested in infantile comebacks like "Because I say so" which is what many of your answers ultimately amount to.

Now - if anyone else cares to voice an opinion on what the phrase "It is usually safe..." means if the edition must always come from the front cover, then I'm all ears (or eyes, perhaps).
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Now - if anyone else cares to voice an opinion on what the phrase "It is usually safe..." means if the edition must always come from the front cover, then I'm all ears (or eyes, perhaps).

I didn't write the rule so I can't tell you why they used it.  What it says to me, however, is that if one of those built in choices is listed anywhere...front of the case, back of the case, on the DVD, on a menu from the dvd, etc....it is safe to use it.

I will agree with you that it doesn't really make any sense and, if it were me, I would not have used that wording.  Like the title, the edition should probably come from the front of the case and the rule should say exactly that.
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The stated purpose of the Edition field is, "for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections..."  Disallowing SE on this release defeats that purpose.  Since we are profiling DVDs and not merely boxes, I think it should be allowed because it is necessary to distinguish the DVD from other editions. 

I have another disc with a similar situation, a rerelease of "Ran: The Masterworks Edition".  In that situation as well, the case nor the slipcase says "The Masterworks Edition" on it, but the disc.

I believe it is clear the Rules currently allow the subject Edition entry.  However, I understand others have the opposing viewpoint, so to avoid further arguments on the issue, they should be clarified to unequivocally establish what is allowed.

I prefer that they allow the field to fulfill its purpose in such a situation as this.  A suggestion:  DVDSpot used to allow such a thing in parentheses in order to indicate it does not appear on the case:

Stripes: (Special Edition)
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Quoting GSyren:
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Now - if anyone else cares to voice an opinion on what the phrase "It is usually safe..." means if the edition must always come from the front cover, then I'm all ears (or eyes, perhaps).

I didn't write the rule so I can't tell you why they used it.  What it says to me, however, is that if one of those built in choices is listed anywhere...front of the case, back of the case, on the DVD, on a menu from the dvd, etc....it is safe to use it.

I will agree with you that it doesn't really make any sense and, if it were me, I would not have used that wording.  Like the title, the edition should probably come from the front of the case and the rule should say exactly that.

Thank you for that voice of reason. And for what it's worth I agree with you. It would be much simpler if the rules stated that edition should always come from  the cover.
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It would be much simpler if the rules stated that edition should always come from  the cover.


Out of interest, what is it that people don't like about taking it from the DVD itself? I mean this is DVD profiler, not DVD cover profiler
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In a situation like this it would be useful information as someone looking at the Stripes cover would not know it contained the Special Edition, but by looking at the profile they would know that's what they would get if they bought it.
I'm thinking that's why this particular rule was kept so vague, so we would be able to differentiate between versions even if there are no clues on the covers themselves.
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Nice guess, but wrong.

Skip
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Forget, you have been around long enough to understand that the looser things are the more nightmarish users will make things, grabbing data from where they please and creating whatever interpretation they please to twist the database to their particular ends. The whole idea behind the Rules is to establish a single page from which everybody works for the online, instead of every body running around doing their own thing, making the database Online useless. The place for a given user to use HIS/HER page is LOCALLY. As it is we have a number of user who specialize in twisting of the Rules and parsing one single sentence or even a single word completely out of context.

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I agree that everybody should be on the same page but with a lot of the rules, they allow for different interpretations.

I'm trying to understand this edition situation from both sides but so far only one side has stated, using the wording of the rules, how they came to their position. The other side has only said that is how they should be interpreted.

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The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.


Using that quoted passage above, how does that say to you that ALL edition descriptions can only come from the cover?
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Out of interest, what is it that people don't like about taking it from the DVD itself? I mean this is DVD profiler, not DVD cover profiler

It isn't that I like it, it's just that it is simpler.  We take the title from the front of the case...even if it differs from the DVD or film title.  The reason we do that, at least the argument for it, was that it is what we see on the shelf.

The simplest thing, at least for me, is to have the edition come from the same place as the title.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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